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re: Reasons for Optimism in 2015 (Not for the Faint of Heart)
Posted on 2/16/15 at 1:16 am to chilge1
Posted on 2/16/15 at 1:16 am to chilge1
#4b Kevin Steele
I would like to say first that surrendering 70 points in a non-OT game is a deserved black eye for any DC. With that out of the way, I would like to dissect his time as the DC at Clemson using the same statistics used above, as well as provide a glimpse into the personnel on the field at the time.
The 2009 Clemson Defense returned 8 starters from the previous year, and featured 6 current NFL players (4 DL). Likewise, the 2010 Clemson Defense returned 6 starters from the previous year, and featured 6 current NFL players (4 DL).
In what may not be regarded as a huge variance, the 2011 Clemson Defense returned only 5 starters from the previous year, and featured 5 current NFL players (3 DL).
Additionally, there does seem to be a mild gap in talent between the rosters as indicated by 247 Composite Rankings.
A side-by-side average of these composite rankings by year is as follows:
.......2009....... 2010....... 2011
DL .9607........ .9119....... .8953
LB .8305........ .8427....... .8567*
DB .8667....... .9154....... .8585
Total .8850..... .8900...... .8702
While this does not explain the DEGREE of the decline from 2010-11, it at least suggests a relationship.
Which brings me to....
#5 Talent
The Talent acquired in the last several years, specifically the first Back-to-Back Top 5 Recruiting Finishes in Miles' tenure is matched only by a chosen few. What's more, the 2016 Class may be the best yet.
*Apologies to the recruitniks, I haven't followed the developments of these players since the OP.
I would like to say first that surrendering 70 points in a non-OT game is a deserved black eye for any DC. With that out of the way, I would like to dissect his time as the DC at Clemson using the same statistics used above, as well as provide a glimpse into the personnel on the field at the time.
quote:
Clemson Defenses against Power 5 Opponents
Yards/Play (Rank) Points/Play (Rank) 3rd % (Rank)
2009..... 4.5 (14)......... .30 (22)........ 40.3 (68)
2010..... 4.8 (17)......... .27 (13)........ 38.3 (44)
2011..... 5.4 (66)......... .41 (73)........ 41.2 (68)
The 2009 Clemson Defense returned 8 starters from the previous year, and featured 6 current NFL players (4 DL). Likewise, the 2010 Clemson Defense returned 6 starters from the previous year, and featured 6 current NFL players (4 DL).
In what may not be regarded as a huge variance, the 2011 Clemson Defense returned only 5 starters from the previous year, and featured 5 current NFL players (3 DL).
Additionally, there does seem to be a mild gap in talent between the rosters as indicated by 247 Composite Rankings.
quote:
2009
Returning Starters – 8
.9997 - DE – DaQuan Bowers
.8875 - NG – Jarvis Jenkins
.9704 – NG – Brandon Thompson
.9853 - BE – Ricky Sapp
.9215 - SLB – Scotty Cooper
.8146 - MLB – Brandon Mayes
.7556 - WLB – Kavell Conner
.8667 - CB – Chris Chancellor
.8875 - CB – Crezdon Butler
.8000 - FS – Sadat Chambers
.9127 - SS – DeAndre McDaniel
quote:
2010
Returning Starters – 6
*.9997 - DE – DaQuan Bowers
*.9704 - NG – Brandon Thompson
*.8875 - DT – Jarvis Jenkins
.7899 - BE – Andre Branch
.8567 – SLB – Quandon Christian
.8567 – MLB – Corico Hawkins
*.8146 - WLB – Brandon Mayes
.9629 - CB – Marcus Gilchrist
.9281 - CB – Byron Maxwell
.8579 – FS - Rashard Hall
*.9127 - SS – DeAndre McDaniel
quote:
2011
Returning Starters - 5
.9673 - DE – Mallicah Goodman
*.9704 - NT – Brandon Thompson
.8537 - DT – Rennie Moore
*.7899 - BE – Andre Branch
*.8567 - SLB – Quandon Christian
*.8567 - MLB – Corico Hawkins
WLB – Jonathan Willard
.7566 - CB – Coty Sensabaugh
.9322 - CB – Xavier Brewer
*.8579 - FS – Rashard Hall
.8875 - SS – Jonathan Meeks
A side-by-side average of these composite rankings by year is as follows:
.......2009....... 2010....... 2011
DL .9607........ .9119....... .8953
LB .8305........ .8427....... .8567*
DB .8667....... .9154....... .8585
Total .8850..... .8900...... .8702
While this does not explain the DEGREE of the decline from 2010-11, it at least suggests a relationship.
Which brings me to....
#5 Talent
quote:
Offense - Returning Starters - 9
.9645 - QB – Brandon Harris
*.9135 – QB – Anthony Jennings
*.9996 - RB – Leonard Fournette
.9027 – RB – Darrel Williams
*.8885 – WR – Travin Dural
*.9915 - WR – Malachi Dupre
*.9627 – WR – Trey Quinn
.9200 – WR – Avery Peterson
.9186 – WR – John Diarse
*.8770 – TE – Dillon Gordon
.9225 - TE – Jacory Washington
.9420 – TE – DeSean Smith
*.9728 - OT – Ethan Pocic
*.8897 – OT – Jerald Hawkins
*.9311 – OG – Vadal Alexander
.9316 – OG – Josh Boutte
.9517 - OG – Garrett Brumfield
.9054 – C – Will Clapp
.8886 - C – Andy Dodd
quote:
Defense - Returning Starters – 8
.8848 - DE – Sione Teuhema
.9324 - DE – Deondre Clark
*.9004 - DT – Christian Lacouture
*.9328 - DT – Davon Godchaux
.9187 - DE – Tashawn Bower
.9589 - DE – Arden Key
*.9021 - OLB – Lamar Louis
*.9664 - MLB – Kendell Beckwith
*.8868 - OLB – Deion Jones
*.9732 - CB – Tre White
.9948 - CB – Kevin Tolliver
*.8532 - S – Jalen Mills
*.9847 - S – Jamal Adams
The Talent acquired in the last several years, specifically the first Back-to-Back Top 5 Recruiting Finishes in Miles' tenure is matched only by a chosen few. What's more, the 2016 Class may be the best yet.
quote:
.9760 - QB - Feleipe Franks (6-5/220)
.9533 - WR - Dee Anderson (6-4/177)
.9529 - WR - Stephen Sullivan (6-6/222)
.9236 - WR - Mykel Jones (6-0/180)
.9205 - TE - Jamal Pettigrew (6-6/218)
.9984 - OT - Gregory Little (6-5.5/305)
.9831 - OT - Willie Allen (6-7.5/300)
.9436 - OG - Donavaughn Campbell (6-5/340)
.8996 - OG - Darius Whitfield (6-3/265)
.9951 - DE - Shavar Manuel (6-4/290)
.9896 - DT - Rashard Lawrence (6-4/300)
.9893 - DT - Edwin Alexander (6-2/310)
.9022 - DT - Glen Logan (6-4/270)
.9000 - DT - Stephon Taylor (6-5/260)
.9756 - OLB - Keion Joyner (6-3/200)
.9664 - OLB - Michael Divinity (6-2/218)
.9547 - OLB - Eric Fowler (6-1/232)
.9469 - OLB - Jeffrey McCulloch (6-2/225)
.9308 - OLB - Devin White (6-0.5/235)
.8591 - OLB - Clifford Chattman (6-4/175)
.9909 - CB _ Savion Smith (6-1/ 1175)
.9795 - CB - Trayvon Mullen (6-2/175)
.9789 - CB - Kristian Fulton (6-0/165)
.9119 - CB - Andraez Williams (6-1/160)
.9816 - S - Eric Monroe (6-0/180)
.9767 - S - Deontay Anderson (6-1/192)
.8975 - S - Cameron Lewis (6-1/192)
*Apologies to the recruitniks, I haven't followed the developments of these players since the OP.
This post was edited on 8/1/15 at 9:43 am
Posted on 2/16/15 at 5:23 am to chilge1
I don't count 8 returning starters on D... (2 DE, 1 LB, 1 CB)
11-4=7
Just a bit optimistic on that recruiting class I would guess. I doubt 6 of those DT's will come to same school to compete. I hope I'm wrong and Coach O pulls a miracle. But I would guess 4 would be reasonable and 5 a stretch, 6 just sounds crazy.
11-4=7
Just a bit optimistic on that recruiting class I would guess. I doubt 6 of those DT's will come to same school to compete. I hope I'm wrong and Coach O pulls a miracle. But I would guess 4 would be reasonable and 5 a stretch, 6 just sounds crazy.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 6:46 am to chilge1
All of that will be negated by the following:
1) Les Miles
1) Les Miles
Posted on 2/16/15 at 9:19 am to chilge1
This was a nice read on a Monday morning. Well done sir. Have an upvote.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 3:35 pm to chilge1
Facts backed up by stats and not water cooler gossip.........
The Rant is gonna kill you hahahahahahahaha.
Great post BTW
The Rant is gonna kill you hahahahahahahaha.
Great post BTW
Posted on 2/16/15 at 5:32 pm to chilge1
Have an upvote. Great work. We usually see eye to eye on this board.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 5:39 pm to chilge1
quote:
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Underrated king cakes, imo...
Just busting your balls. Great write up. Thank you.
Posted on 2/18/15 at 8:38 pm to chilge1
What an awesome effort. Thanks Chilge1, this is the best post in ten years that I have been on this board.
The level of depth and research and time and effort is truly remarkable. I commend you.
Panzer
The level of depth and research and time and effort is truly remarkable. I commend you.
Panzer
Posted on 2/27/15 at 11:32 am to chilge1
Have a downvote.
Too much analysis and excuse making. Develop a QB, build a program where juniors DO NOT WANT to leave early, and have an offensive system and scheme that is MODERN and plays the game as it's being played today, and problem solved. Also, having a more competent HC and/or OC, whichever it is, will help tremendously.
Too much analysis and excuse making. Develop a QB, build a program where juniors DO NOT WANT to leave early, and have an offensive system and scheme that is MODERN and plays the game as it's being played today, and problem solved. Also, having a more competent HC and/or OC, whichever it is, will help tremendously.
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