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re: continuity in the basketball program
Posted on 2/6/15 at 11:48 am to stephendomalley
Posted on 2/6/15 at 11:48 am to stephendomalley
Continuity??
The LSU basketball program has plenty of continuity...
The bag man that helped put this program on probation is now running the show!!
How's that for continuity!!
The LSU basketball program has plenty of continuity...
The bag man that helped put this program on probation is now running the show!!
How's that for continuity!!
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Posted on 2/6/15 at 11:55 am to Pnels08
Example Syracuse, or maybe Boeheim just isn't a good X's and O's coach this year?
Posted on 2/6/15 at 11:55 am to CrippleCreek
He's had 2 recruiting classes. The first one he was coach for about 3 weeks before signing day. By the next December we signed a 5 star and two highly rated 4 stars. Last year was a lean year as far as immediate impact guys goes. We knew going in Elbert, Epps, and Bridge would need time to develop. The hope was Odo or Malone would be good enough to at least allow M&M a break. Malone is getting better, but Odo is a black hole. The top end talent is there, but there isn't anything after our top 6. It'd be different if we had 6 or 7 truly reliable guys and then a bunch of guys you can at least trust not frick everything up. We do not. I think a lot of people forget JJ's first year here. He got almost 20 wins out of a team that would've been lucky to win 15 games under Trent. We took Kentucky down to the wire that year. Maybe JJ really is Dale Brown 2.0. Gets more then he should out of lesser talent but has trouble with top level guys. Who the frick knows. It's still way too early to talk in absolutes about Coach Jones.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 11:57 am to BobBarker
Malone is serviceable on the defensive end, but it's like playing 4 on 5 when LSU is on offense.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 11:58 am to BobBarker
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It's still way too early to talk in absolutes about Coach Jones.
It's too early to say he doesn't like competent benches?
Posted on 2/6/15 at 12:03 pm to burgeman
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Example Syracuse, or maybe Boeheim just isn't a good X's and O's coach this year?
Not even close to a reasonable comparison. Boeheim plays in the toughest conference in the country, and continually has his team competing at the highest level. We are talking about SEC basketball which is extremely weak outside of Kentucky.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 12:07 pm to stephendomalley
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it takes time to develop team identity.
It takes about 5 minutes to learn an inbounds play. It takes about 10 minutes to learn how to box out on a rebound. It takes maybe 15-30 minutes to learn how to execute a basic, rudimentary offensive set. That could all be done in one hour and would make LSU at least 10 points a game better than we are. It takes a couple of weeks of practice to learn how to shoot a free throw. That could have been done in preseason and would make LSU about 5 points per game better than we are. Add 15 points a game to LSU's results and see what you get. These are not issues of lack of continuity. These are basic basketball fundamentals. Typically, these fundamentals are taught by a junior high coach getting paid a low five-figure salary. If a Division I college coach getting paid seven figures can't figure it out, there's a major problem.
This post was edited on 2/6/15 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 2/6/15 at 12:10 pm to c on z
God you fricking suck. Hates competent benches? Do you even remember last year or 2012? We ran a 10-12 man rotation the last couple years before this. JOB was the only player getting heavy minutes. When it comes down to it, our bench players aren't ready. So it's role with the starters and play them more then they should or play the young guys and risk giving the game away.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 12:12 pm to Nuts4LSU
Having a team that really understands offensive basketball takes a lot longer than that.
And it takes players with the skills to execute. This team doesn't have the outside shooting necessary to be an elite offensive team. Nobody has to respect a shooter other than Hornsby and the defense can pack the interior with bodies and muck everything up.
This team has a talent problem more than anything.
And it takes players with the skills to execute. This team doesn't have the outside shooting necessary to be an elite offensive team. Nobody has to respect a shooter other than Hornsby and the defense can pack the interior with bodies and muck everything up.
This team has a talent problem more than anything.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 12:14 pm to stephendomalley
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last year it was the JOB show. he left and we don't have any continuity from last year.
this is a problem for all schools.
This team has no excuse for losing to these terrible teams.
We are actually a very talented team this year and should be playing for a 6 seed.
Not making the tourney this year is a huge failure if we don't make it
This post was edited on 2/6/15 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 2/6/15 at 12:17 pm to TigerBait1127
We only have 6 players. They aren't that talented.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 12:21 pm to CrippleCreek
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Having a team that really understands offensive basketball takes a lot longer than that.
Perhaps, but you can at least teach them a basic offensive set and have them run it. Hell, I've seen 4th graders do it. Even that would be an improvement over the "stand around until somebody either tries to drive the lane on the dribble or throws up a contested 18-20 footer" that we're doing now.
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And it takes players with the skills to execute.
Shooting a free throw requires almost no skill, just practice. If you have the strength to propel the ball 15 feet, you can damn sure shoot over 50% from the line. Setting a screen, boxing out on a rebound and remembering a basic offensive set also require no unusual skill. Any team that doesn't do any of those things is either lazy or horribly coached.
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This team has a talent problem more than anything.
Wrong. Every team in college basketball, save for a handful of elite teams, has the same talent problems. College basketball doesn't have many talented players, and what few there are tend to be concentrated on the few elite teams. Any other team is lucky if they have one player with any NBA potential. Mediocre talent with any decent coaching will at least be able to execute an inbounds pass, run some semblance of a planned offense, box out on rebounds and shoot free throws. None of that requires any talent above what every college basketball team has. If this team would only just do those basics, it would be about 20-2 right now, because as lacking as we are in talent, our opponents this year, for the most part, are in even worse shape.
This post was edited on 2/6/15 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 2/6/15 at 12:21 pm to tigerfan102
They are basically having the same problems LSU is having, no bench because several recruits have not panned out or players have left early. Except Syracuse has had a top 25 class every year going back to 2012 and LSU has had only 1.
LSU will have depth next year with Patterson, Hornsby, Gray, and Robinson (if he develops any) coming off the bench. Consistency comes from being able to have quality guys come off the bench and give quality minutes/not rack up fouls and be useless on offense (Malone). Right now we are 6, MAYBE 7 deep.
ETA: forgot about Victor next year as well, probably starting
LSU will have depth next year with Patterson, Hornsby, Gray, and Robinson (if he develops any) coming off the bench. Consistency comes from being able to have quality guys come off the bench and give quality minutes/not rack up fouls and be useless on offense (Malone). Right now we are 6, MAYBE 7 deep.
ETA: forgot about Victor next year as well, probably starting
This post was edited on 2/6/15 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 2/6/15 at 12:25 pm to BobBarker
quote:Last year Mickey averaged 33.4 minutes per game in SEC play, Hickey 32.95, and JOB 30.1, Martin 28.4.
God you fricking suck. Hates competent benches? Do you even remember last year or 2012? We ran a 10-12 man rotation the last couple years before this. JOB was the only player getting heavy minutes. When it comes down to it, our bench players aren't ready. So it's role with the starters and play them more then they should or play the young guys and risk giving the game away.
Coach Jones overuse of his starters (including Hornsby) plus Quarterman this year is inexcusable. Even though Malone and Odo aren't as effective, Mickey and Martin play better when they (the bench) play more.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 12:25 pm to S
I wish I could upvote you for every one of your next years!!!
Posted on 2/6/15 at 12:27 pm to Nuts4LSU
I wish we were more aggressive with getting gray and quarterman to drive much earlier in possessions.
Those guys can collapse a defense and get guys open shots. When we play good offense, that's how it comes for the most part.
Those guys can collapse a defense and get guys open shots. When we play good offense, that's how it comes for the most part.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 12:28 pm to stephendomalley
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IMHO, you've got to cut coach jones some slack. it is very difficult these days, to develop a program because of early departures.
Criticism is part of the business. At least a few folks still care enough to critique. Johnny knew this when he signed on. Not too many people criticizing the tennis coaches....cause nobody cares.
Johnny will get more than a fair chance to prove himself over time. With the friends in power he has and the recruiting he's done he'll get time to prove us all wrong, more time than most probably.
But anyone watching who doesn't think there is warranted concern is in denial.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 12:38 pm to stephendomalley
If you have watched this team the last 3 years you would see that his teams have had the same problems each year with little to no improvement.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 1:03 pm to mmcgrath
I stand corrected. But if you notice we didn't have a single player averaging over 35 minutes a game. And he does try to give Mickey and Martin rests. Last night we played Bridgewater but he was simply outmatched. It's an awkward situation.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 1:47 pm to Pnels08
So I'm assuming Bruce Pearl had CONTINUITY with Auburn last night? 
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