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And you keep saying that when they play each other they are better scorers than AD. AD is an average post up defender but he has shown the ability to block those hook shots and other post shots guys like Randolph and griffin like to use, he's not a pushover down low like in previous seasons.

AD has blocked Duncan and Dirk and Aldridge doing that. He's not blocking Griffin and Zbo. THey aren't guys taking hook shots.

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Just because they are bigger does not mean they are better scorers or can stop AD from scoring. AD has a better and more consistent jump shot than both those guys not to mention his ability to handle the ball, drive to the basket, post fade, floater, better free throw shooting, and his ability to draw fouls, and that's only his ISO scoring, I won't even get into his transition or PnR. Only thing they are better at offensively is back to the basket.

Griffin is just as athletic and mobile as AD, has a better post game, and shoots his jump shot just as good as AD, 48% compared to 46% for Griffin (40% for ZBo).
When they play each other, they pretty much are the same player, with Griffin being a little stronger, and AD being longer and more active on the offensive boards.
ZBo is a better down low offensive player than both of them by a lot. No one uses their body better than him in the league. He's the worse defender of the 3, but the best rebounder.

AD is the worst ISO scorer of the 3, not that he's bad by any means. How many points a game does AD score in an iso situation? 80% of his scores are jump shots off screens, dunks off screens, fast breaks and put backs. People that watch him know this, which is why you here announcers/analysts say that they think he will be the best player in the world once we get a coach that wants to actually use him as an offensive weapon and he develops his game more.

They also all three draw fouls at a rate of 15% of their FGA.

When those 3 guys play each other, their is no clear cut answer to say one is better than the other. They are each a little better or worse in different areas in those matchups. Watch them play each other and tell me differently.

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Posted by whoknows1390

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Posted on 2/4/15 at 4:38 pm to TeddyPadillac

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AD is the worst ISO scorer of the 3, not that he's bad by any means. How many points a game does AD score in an iso situation? 80% of his scores are jump shots off screens, dunks off screens, fast breaks and put backs. People that watch him know this, which is why you here announcers/analysts say that they think he will be the best player in the world once we get a coach that wants to actually use him as an offensive weapon and he develops his game more.

So you'd rather a ball stopper who slows down than offense than someone who is able to produce better numbers at a more efficient rate without stopping the offense?

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Posted by ShamelessPel

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Posted on 2/4/15 at 4:44 pm to TeddyPadillac

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with Griffin being a little stronger

Griffin got bitch slapped by Eric Gordon, Quincy Pondexter, and Tyreke Evans last game. He got the switch multiple times and didn't abuse them or get to the rim once that I can remember. Multiple times he would pass out of the situation cause they were physical with him, especially Gordon. Wonderful, he can jump over KIA's and is super strong. Unfortunately, his finesse game isn't even in the same realm as Davis. Until recently, Davis has been insanely productive without a true PG. Coincidentally, Tyreke is pass-first and Davis' god-like PER is actually going UP!! again. Griffin can't even match his production running PnR with Chris fricking Paul.

TL:DR - You looked at 3 box scores and took that as gospel over a full season of work.

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Posted by sma19

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Posted on 2/4/15 at 5:20 pm to TeddyPadillac

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Did you watch AD in his 3 games against those two guys this year?

Yes I did. The clips game the whole pels team played like trash, hard to forget

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AD has blocked Duncan and Dirk and Aldridge doing that. He's not blocking Griffin and Zbo. THey aren't guys taking hook shots.

block of zbo

and again

AD blocks Blake

just another post hook block

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Griffin is just as athletic and mobile as AD, has a better post game, and shoots his jump shot just as good as AD, 48% compared to 46% for Griffin (40% for ZBo).

From the BSS article in early January davis hits 47.5 from midrange (good for 4th in the league) and griffin hits 38.02 (ranked 12th in the league)

BSS article

Not sure if the numbers changed much

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When they play each other, they pretty much are the same player, with Griffin being a little stronger, and AD being longer and more active on the offensive boards. ZBo is a better down low offensive player than both of them by a lot. No one uses their body better than him in the league. He's the worse defender of the 3, but the best rebounder.

In the sense of theyre role in the offense I agree, and I agree with what your saying about ZBo, he can flat out rebound and he's a much better back to basket scorer, but not a better scorer overall. Apparently he is in ISO but your initial statement was just scorer.

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80% of his scores are jump shots off screens, dunks off screens, fast breaks and put backs. People that watch him know this, which is why you here announcers/analysts say that they think he will be the best player in the world once we get a coach that wants to actually use him as an offensive weapon and he develops his game more.

This I disagree with, yes Davis gets a lot of points from hustle plays but only Blake griffin And lamarcus Aldridge have a higher usage rate among PF's. A lot of his jumpers come from getting the ball at the elbow or by the left block and he calls a clear out and pulls up in the guy's face, drives and pulls up, backs him down and then fades or drives and dunks/layup/floater. He gets jumpers off of screens every once in a while in a game (usually the first play of the game) but most time it's him getting it while posting his man up and then he turns and faces up