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Posted on 1/25/15 at 4:37 pm to stout
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Kyle also had more opportunity to kill in a fairly open urban desert vs Vietnam jungles.
This is why I vote for Hathcock, he had a tougher environment to deal with than Kyle. Much respect for both, however.
Posted on 1/25/15 at 6:06 pm to theenemy
He never fully recovered from those burn injuries.
Posted on 1/25/15 at 6:11 pm to Stagg8
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Simo Hayha (sp?) still probably the best ever. Hathcock probably the best American.
Not all of Simo's was from long range either. Often he would jump out from his hiding place and unload on a group of unsuspecting victim's before disappearing into the wilderness. And his optics were primitive.
Posted on 1/25/15 at 6:11 pm to prplhze2000
Yep, he kept shooting in competions though.
One tough hombre.
One tough hombre.
Posted on 1/25/15 at 6:22 pm to indytiger
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Can't compare the 2. Different generations. I hate how people bring technology into the argument. Do you want Kyle to say "frick it, I want people to think I'm as good as Hathcock", and leave all his shite at base and just go hunting taliban with an old deer rifle?
I agree 100%
Same thing with sports. You can't fault or tout somebody just because they lived at a certain time. All you can do is judge them based on that time period because that is all we will ever know. We will never know what Hathcock would have done with today's tech over in Iraq or Afghanistan. And we also will never know what Kyle would have done with older rifles in Vietnam. All you can do is compare them against their competition at the time
Posted on 1/25/15 at 7:20 pm to jg8623
Has nothing to do with the rifles. Its about the actual type of missions and the environment.
Posted on 1/25/15 at 7:31 pm to prplhze2000
Hathcock is more revered because of his courage, but Chuck Malwhinney has more confirmed/unconfirmed kills. Malwhinney had 16 kills(all head shots) with 16 shots. Both in Vietnam, but Carlos did crap that required a whole different level of courage. 3 days crawling in after a NVA officer, alone AND getting the kill....damn.
Chuck Malwhinney
Chuck Malwhinney
Posted on 1/25/15 at 7:34 pm to 777Tiger
You would be very wrong. But you knew that.
Posted on 1/25/15 at 11:17 pm to VetteGuy
He actually passed out at one and when they took his shooting jacket off they saw that all his graphs had ripped and he never even said anything.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 12:07 am to CroakaBait
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Posted by CroakaBait quote: Kyle also had more opportunity to kill in a fairly open urban desert vs Vietnam jungles.
Hsthcick's total is CONFIRMED kills which need a witness. He estimates that his kill total was around 300.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 7:16 am to GREENHEAD22
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White Feather and it isnt close.
This, and as Green said, it isn't even close.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 7:18 am to GREENHEAD22
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Posted by GREENHEAD22
White Feather and it isnt close.
This
Posted on 1/26/15 at 7:40 am to Darth_Vader
i cant fathom the amount of confidence and focus and set of balls it takes to crawl over 1200 yards, over 3 days surrounded by enemy patrols that get so close to you that you could give them a handshake. Make a perfect shot and then successfully gtfo without the enemy ever knowing your location. 'Murica, frick yea
not to mention he volunteered for that mission a couple days before he was coming home, which he knew about
not to mention he volunteered for that mission a couple days before he was coming home, which he knew about
This post was edited on 1/26/15 at 7:50 am
Posted on 1/26/15 at 7:46 am to roguetiger15
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i cant fathom the amount of confidence and focus and set of balls it takes to crawl over 1200 yards, over 3 days surrounded by enemy patrols that get so close to you that you could give them a handshake. Make a perfect shot and then successfully gtfo without the enemy ever knowing your location. 'Murica, frick yea
Even if that was the only amazing feat that the White Feather ever pulled off he'd be known as one of the greatest snipers in history. But what puts him over the top is the fact that's just one of a number of things he did that boggle the mind. Throw in killing the NVA sniper with a shot through the scope, the amazing kill shot with Ma Duce, and you see this guy was top notch.
This post was edited on 1/26/15 at 7:48 am
Posted on 1/26/15 at 7:50 am to Darth_Vader
and he volunteered his last mission, knowing he was going home in a couple of days. he said he took the mission because he knew he was the best man to do the job and he didnt want to risk any other guys getting killed.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 7:51 am to Darth_Vader
Kyle even said Hathcock was better.
Kyle had modern equipment to help him determine many difficult factors with precision before each shot. Hathcock did not have this.
Kyle had modern equipment to help him determine many difficult factors with precision before each shot. Hathcock did not have this.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 7:53 am to roguetiger15
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i cant fathom the amount of confidence and focus and set of balls it takes to crawl over 1200 yards, over 3 days surrounded by enemy patrols that get so close to you that you could give them a handshake. Make a perfect shot and then successfully gtfo without the enemy ever knowing your location. 'Murica, frick yea
not to mention he volunteered for that mission a couple days before he was coming home, which he knew about
Not only this but he crawled out of there after he took the shoot. The base came alive and soilders were sent out in all directions to find him. I would have wanted to get up and run so bad. And I would have not made it.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 7:54 am to theenemy
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Just from an equipment standpoint Kyle had a big advantage with the firearms, optics, radio, gps, etc..available to him.
Yeah, shooting an almost stock Winchester 70 (White Feather didn't even shoot an M40 - think about that) .30-06 or an improvised M2 "sniper configuration", maybe match grade ammo and a 1960s era Unertl scope is probably a little more difficult to shoot accurately over 1000 yards than a McMillan Tac-338 and a Leupold Mark 4 - with rifle, ammo and scope all specifically designed for precise long-range shooting...
This post was edited on 1/26/15 at 7:58 am
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