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Posted on 1/11/15 at 12:14 am to offshoretrash
I said it before & I will say it again till Yall get it 1 burn all the damn grass,2 water get rid of it you want it as dry as possible 3 land lots of it un interrupted land. Then you will have quail it's that simple
Posted on 1/11/15 at 12:28 am to offshoretrash
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I just do not believe this. Before the mid 80s all predators were trapped very hard. Lots of guys made a living doing it. I was in my mid 20s before I saw a live bobcat. Now we are over ran with predators, it's nothing to see a family of coons come to your feeder or see several bobcat, fox and coyotes while hunting. Then throw in the feral cats, it's easy to see that all these predators have got to take a heavy toll on birds
like quail.
Bring back wolves. Would solve a lot of those problems.
However, habitat loss is the main culprit. Everything else is a byproduct of habitat loss or degradation.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 7:56 am to Sasquatch Smash
I believe fire ants have contributed more than anything else to their decrease. Remember, fire ants were not widespread till the 70's.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 8:16 am to Fat Neck
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You can look at most any WMA in western LA and see thousand upon thousand acre of pine land not sprayed like the industrial forest with large parcel that is burned:
Do those WMA's have clear cuts? The quail really thrive in the cut overs. There are plants(lezpedeza)that grow that provide food that do not occur in even young stands of timber. Today, when timber companies clear cut and replant, they spray herbicide that brown out everything except the pines.
Overall, quail require a very particular set of conditions that are more likely to occur with a lot of human intervention than naturally. That intervention no longer occurs due to changing agricultural practices. The few quail I see are usually in fields that also have cows and horses. Those animals help create the habitat and provide a little protection from predators.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 8:17 am to Sasquatch Smash
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Bring back wolves
No
Posted on 1/11/15 at 8:23 am to weagle99
Everything is predatory on quail and grouse eggs, you just gotta kill everything to protect the #s
Posted on 1/11/15 at 8:33 am to Coach in Waiting
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Bring back wolves
No
And then the fight started.......
Posted on 1/11/15 at 8:50 am to mack the knife
Tall Timbers is an organization that has been doing wildlife research in Florida for a long time. Lots of good information comes from them...
Posted on 1/11/15 at 4:09 pm to wickowick
Damn you that's science!! We don't like that!
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:01 pm to jeffsdad
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I believe fire ants have contributed more than anything else to their decrease. Remember, fire ants were not widespread till the 70's.
Had a LDWF agent tell me this was the main reason
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:14 pm to CSATiger
The Rise and Fall Of Quail In Georgia
Where Have They Gone - Can They Make A Comeback?
November 2002 (updated June 2010)
Cattle Egrets, Armadillos, and Fire Ants
These three species are all exotics in Georgia that were either rare or nonexistent back in the “good ole
days” of Georgia quail hunting. Since they are all abundant now, and quail have declined over much of their former range in the sate, there has been a great deal of speculation as to the role these species may have played in quail decline. Much of this stems from incidental observations and anecdotal evidence of someone seeing either a cowbird gobble up a brood of quail chicks or fire ants in a nest where the eggs were trying to hatch. All three of these species have, indeed, been documented destroying quail nests and/or chicks. And in fact armadillos have been shown to rank in the top five mid-sized mammalian quail nest predators. However, this doesn’t indicate that any of these species are singularly responsible for the bobwhite decline. And as will be discussed later, these species are all very abundant, even on the southwest Georgia private plantations where the best quail populations in the state occur. There is currently some renewed interest in the fire ant question due to problems recently documented in Texas where a high-mound density, multiple-queen variety of ant occurs. It is our opinion that unless some new information proves otherwise, these species should be considered “incidental” quail predators and for the most part disregarded as being major contributors to declining quail populations.
Where Have They Gone - Can They Make A Comeback?
November 2002 (updated June 2010)
Cattle Egrets, Armadillos, and Fire Ants
These three species are all exotics in Georgia that were either rare or nonexistent back in the “good ole
days” of Georgia quail hunting. Since they are all abundant now, and quail have declined over much of their former range in the sate, there has been a great deal of speculation as to the role these species may have played in quail decline. Much of this stems from incidental observations and anecdotal evidence of someone seeing either a cowbird gobble up a brood of quail chicks or fire ants in a nest where the eggs were trying to hatch. All three of these species have, indeed, been documented destroying quail nests and/or chicks. And in fact armadillos have been shown to rank in the top five mid-sized mammalian quail nest predators. However, this doesn’t indicate that any of these species are singularly responsible for the bobwhite decline. And as will be discussed later, these species are all very abundant, even on the southwest Georgia private plantations where the best quail populations in the state occur. There is currently some renewed interest in the fire ant question due to problems recently documented in Texas where a high-mound density, multiple-queen variety of ant occurs. It is our opinion that unless some new information proves otherwise, these species should be considered “incidental” quail predators and for the most part disregarded as being major contributors to declining quail populations.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:23 pm to wickowick
Your articles bring up an interesting thought. While I'm not educated enough on the subject of bobwhite quail to say that ants or armadillos or egrets affect the population, there is no question that these invasives have an adverse impact on native species in general.
Look out at any pasture in most parts of LA and you can see multiple egrets picking through the field. Their numbers are ridiculous, and their eating habits have to be displacing native species...
Look out at any pasture in most parts of LA and you can see multiple egrets picking through the field. Their numbers are ridiculous, and their eating habits have to be displacing native species...
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:26 pm to Canard Gris
I think it is a accumulation of everything and not a smoking gun...
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:35 pm to wickowick
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I think it is a accumulation of everything and not a smoking gun...
You are right.
One other thing, before timber prices went up and Walmart came to town most people kept pasture land for cattle and gardens. Now pine trees fill those clearings.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:43 pm to offshoretrash
And house cats, don't forget them...
Posted on 1/11/15 at 8:23 pm to wickowick
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house cats
I'm doing my share.??
Posted on 1/15/15 at 4:22 pm to jeffsdad
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I believe fire ants have contributed more than anything else to their decrease. Remember, fire ants were not widespread till the 70's.
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However, habitat loss is the main culprit. Everything else is a byproduct of habitat loss or degradation.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 4:31 pm to Canard Gris
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ants or armadillos or egrets
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invasives have an adverse impact on native species
One of these is not like the other. Cattle egrets and nine-banded armadillos have naturally invaded a new territory. Fire ants got here by artificial means. They are cleverly named the black imported and red imported fire ant, actually.
Lagniappe: I believe, as a teen, famous biologist E.O. Wilson was the first to notice the fire ants near Mobile, AL.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 4:33 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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famous biologist E.O. Wilson was the first to notice the fire ants near Mobile, AL.
Think where we would be if we firebombed Mobile then...
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