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re: Les Miles' recent bowl record - a little perspective
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:45 pm to navy
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:45 pm to navy
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OP is right ... LSU vs. ND was viewed by the masses as an even contest that really could go either way.
Of course we were favored, but we're not the first favored team to lose a bowl game. (Talk to Bama about the 2008 Sugar Bowl loss to Utah.) And I'm sure Bear lost some games he should have won. It happens to everyone now and them. That's not to dismiss the fact that the game highlighted some disturbing flaws in the program right now. Let's hope we can get them fixed.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:45 pm to ItsThatDude12
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Why are we comparing Miles and Bear Bryant.
that's a great damn question.
Miles isn't even a top 5 coach in this era. Certainly not even remotely close to Bear Bryant.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:55 pm to ItsThatDude12
quote:Because they are both incredibly successful coaches who have gone through relative slumps. Did you not read the OP? It says it right there.
Why are we comparing Miles and Bear Bryant.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:57 pm to ballscaster
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Because they are both incredibly successful coaches who have gone through relative slumps.
So Bear's 'incredibly successful' is on par with Miles' 'incredibly successful'?
it's unfair to Miles to even have this discussion.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 11:04 pm to cas4t
Mack Brown is a much better comparison so Les Miles.
Both won a national title and played in another one four years later, both got beat by Bama.
Mack Brown had 4 seasons with 8-9 wins and he resigned in the 4th year after the national title loss. The jury is still out on Les.
Both won a national title and played in another one four years later, both got beat by Bama.
Mack Brown had 4 seasons with 8-9 wins and he resigned in the 4th year after the national title loss. The jury is still out on Les.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 11:06 pm to broadcaster
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Looks like almost all Bears bowl losses was in Nc games or the next best bowl. Not mediocore bowls like Miles has been. Nice try though!
I thought this would come up, and I considered addressing it in my original post, but didn't want to make it too long. Yes, there were fewer bowls in those days, and consequently, only the top 10-16 teams were involved. Still, whatever bowl you're in, you are usually playing a team that is close to your level of expertise, so whether you are a top five team playing in a major New Year's Day bowl or a lower tier team playing in a second or third rate bowl, your chances of winning should be roughly the same.
Again, the point wasn't that Miles was the equal of Bear Bryant or that he has had as much success. It's just that no coach is going to win all his games when he is matched up against equally talented teams, so LSU's recent bowl record, on its face, doesn't necessarily tell you much about the long-term direction of the program.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 11:21 pm to cas4t
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So Bear's 'incredibly successful' is on par with Miles' 'incredibly successful'?
it's unfair to Miles to even have this discussion.
Sigh....please go back and read the third paragraph of my original post. I emphatically said that I was NOT suggesting that Les was the equal of Bear Bryant. I agree that anyone who would say that is not thinking rationally. But I do think it is fair to say that, overall, Les has been a very successful coach at LSU. As I remember saying back in 2008 (you can look it up), only time will tell whether we are witnessing a real decline or if this is just a temporary dip.
My point is (and always has been) that you can't look at any particular negative stat, like the bowl record, over a short-term period (3-4 years is still relatively short-term) and make a definitive, authoritative judgement about the future of the program.
Should we be concerned? Hell, yes. I'm as worried as anyone about how things are going, and I was absolutely sick about the ND game and the news of Chavis leaving. But should we be ready to declare that "the end is nigh"? Nope...not yet. Ask me again in a year or two and I will most likely change my tune if we don't reverse the current trend, but as for now, I'm still cautiously optimistic Les can get things back on track, just as he did after the 2008/2009 slump.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 11:45 pm to ItsThatDude12
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Mack Brown is a much better comparison so Les Miles.
Both won a national title and played in another one four years later, both got beat by Bama.
Mack Brown had 4 seasons with 8-9 wins and he resigned in the 4th year after the national title loss. The jury is still out on Les.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 11:46 pm to cas4t
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you should buy it. CFB is a multi billion dollar industry nowadays. No, I wasn't around in the 60's, but I think it's fair to say there is more pressure to win when you have coaches making 3-7 million dollars a year and coordinators are getting close to 2M
By your logic, there was a lot less pressure on the old Baltimore Colts and Jets to win Super Bowl III than there was on the Broncos and Seahawks to win last year, simply because there is more money sloshing around now. Maybe it's just me, but I doubt any of those old Colts and Jets players would agree with you.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 11:48 pm to TigerCard
Nah bro, they totally sat there and thought, "what's the point? Teams 50 years from now will be playing with billions on the line."
Posted on 1/6/15 at 1:31 am to TigerCard
quote:I am going to be a homer here about Miles bowls losses over the years. At the end pf the Penn State game, the defense , which had played a pretty good game, could not stop Penn State from driving down the field late in the game to take the lead. LSU drives down the field and then gets penalized for unsportsman like conduct because a Offensive lineman pulls a State linebacker off of Jefferson who probably should have been penalized for delay of game. The Clemson game if the offense could have converted a short third down would have been able to run out the clock, Clemson gets the ball and proceeds to march down the field for a game winning field goal. This past week against Norte Dame, the defense struggled a majority of the game and again we lose on a last second field goal. Plus, the officials flat out fricked up the call on the fake field at the end of the first half. Bama just flat kicked the shite out of LSU, but in my opinion, should not have been there. They didn't win the SEC, hell they didn't even win the Western Division. LSU should have played Okie State, Oregon or who ever won the Big 10 or ACC depending on the champions records. So, if the defense could have come up a late game stop in a few games and without a few calls that went against LSU, Miles record looks alot better.This is just the way I feel about all of this crap and I am probably about the only one who sees it this way. SORRY ABOUT THE LACK OF PARAGRAPHS. I TYPED IT IN WITH PARAGRAPHS BUT WHEN I PREVIEWD IT, THIS IS HOW IT TURNED OUT. AND I KNOW TLDR BLAB,BLAB,BLAB....
I'm as worried as anyone about how things are going, and I was absolutely sick about the ND game and the news of Chavis leaving.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 1:58 am to broadcaster
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Looks like almost all Bears bowl losses was in Nc games or the next best bowl. Not mediocore bowls like Miles has been. Nice try though!
What in the frick does that have to do with anything? You try to match the even teams to bowls. So a team on your level, slightly below, or slightly higher, should be an even match.
LSU was an even team to Iowa in 2013, LSU beat Iowa. Oklahoma was a worse team than Bama in 2013, Oklahoma beat Bama.
LSU was a bit better than ND at the end of the year (we lost 2 of our last 3, they lost their last 4), and ND beat LSU. I think the major problem was that players were dealing with the news of Chavis. Lot of them dudes didn't go all out, and those are also most the ones jumping ship early right now.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 2:03 am to cas4t
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Not to mention OP just refers to 'bowls' that Bear's team played in. One can see which bowls these were and understand fully why his record was not so great early on. Hint: they were not tier 2-3 bowls.
Look I usually agree with you on a lot of things, but you are missing the point by a wide margin. The bowls match teams that are pretty even. Why would it matter which bowls they were in? You lost to an opponent who was pretty equal to you.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 5:12 am to cas4t
quote:Put on your thinking cap. Successful coaches can go through relative slumps and be successful again. Bear did it. Les did it before. There's no reason you shouldn't be able to find a shred of validity in this comparison if you aren't a retard.
So Bear's 'incredibly successful' is on par with Miles' 'incredibly successful'?
Posted on 1/6/15 at 5:36 am to TigerCard
It's one thing to lose in a national title play off bowl or upper echelon bowl, it's another to get beaten in the Chicken Bowl every other yr.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 6:03 am to TigerCard
Has anyone pointed out in this threat yet that back then, there were 11 bowl games at that time?
In other words, if you got to a bowl, you were always playing another big dog.
In that year, a team of ND's caliber wouldn't have even made a bowl. Hell, LOTS of 7-4 teams even in the 1980s wouldn't make bowls.
In other words, if you got to a bowl, you were always playing another big dog.
In that year, a team of ND's caliber wouldn't have even made a bowl. Hell, LOTS of 7-4 teams even in the 1980s wouldn't make bowls.
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