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Les Miles' recent bowl record - a little perspective

Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:13 pm
Posted by TigerCard
Cleveland, OH
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:13 pm
One of the persistent issues raised by many posters in the angst-filled days since our depressing loss to ND is the fact that Miles has had a lackluster bowl record over the past few years. I'm old enough to remember a stretch in the late 60s and early 70s when another pretty good coach endured a bowl losing streak that makes LSU's recent record look pretty good by comparison.

Bear Bryant coached at Alabama for 24 years, and his teams went to a bowl every year he was there. His overall record in bowl games was 12-10-2. Moreover, from 1967-1974, his bowl record was 0-8-1!! I distinctly remember reading stories at the time complaining that Bear was losing his touch, was over the hill, and was no longer capable of winning the big games. Of course, over the remainder of his career, he was 7-1. Here's a link to his record:

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Now, I'm NOT suggesting that Les Miles should be considered as equal to Bear Bryant. I'm only pointing out that ANY coach who is in this business long enough is going to endure periods of uneven production in bowl games, no matter how good he is. (Remember, Nick Saban is 0-2 in his last two bowls.)

Whether Miles' recent record suggests a decline or just a temporary blip in an otherwise successful career remains to be seen. (I can see arguments for both interpretations of the evidence, and by the way, I distinctly remember the exact same argument taking place in 2008 and 2009.) But you shouldn't attempt to draw any definitive conclusions just by looking at our recent bowl record.
Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:15 pm to
Just to start a little brush fire here, but what is the great football gawd Nicky's bowl record?
Posted by blackjackjackson
fourth dimension
Member since May 2008
7674 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:15 pm to
oh man! what courage! the negas are gonna try to eat you alive!
this is way to rational for the rant!
Posted by GRTiger
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Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:16 pm to
So you're saying the Rant would have fired bear before the 1970 season?
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70904 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:20 pm to
The pressure of winning in college football is much greater then back in the 60's/70's.

and rationalizing Miles' record by comparing him to Bryant is a far reach IMO.

Not to mention Miles won't be coaching another 8 years so he won't have an opportunity to go 7-1.
Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:25 pm to
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So you're saying the Rant would have fired bear before the 1970 season?



The rant would have fired him when he got off the bus from Mobile on 1958.
Posted by TigerCard
Cleveland, OH
Member since Nov 2009
890 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:27 pm to
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The pressure of winning in college football is much greater then back in the 60's/70's.


Not sure I'd buy this argument. (Were you around in those days?) Bama had a couple of mediocre years during that streak, but several times the team went into the bowl game undefeated. And this was a time when there weren't that many bowls, so they most of them were HUGE in terms of importance.

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and rationalizing Miles' record by comparing him to Bryant is a far reach IMO.


I'm not trying to "rationalize" anything. Just pointing out the facts.... If you wish to say that the facts don't apply because they don't fit your narrative, that's up to you.

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Not to mention Miles won't be coaching another 8 years so he won't have an opportunity to go 7-1.


Not sure why this is important. Miles might coach another eight years, he might not. What bearing does that have on the argument?

Thanks for the comments!
Posted by Bayoufightingtiger
Member since Aug 2011
4608 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:27 pm to
And the moral of the story is Bryant had great QBs and won many titles. When he didn't have a great QB his team didn't do so well.
Posted by Dlab2013
Pineville, Luzianna
Member since Jun 2013
9219 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:32 pm to
Les don't need a great QB, just a QB who knows how to QB and not not QB. A man with Chest and handoff ability
Posted by navy
Parts Unknown, LA
Member since Sep 2010
29038 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:33 pm to
OP is right ... LSU vs. ND was viewed by the masses as an even contest that really could go either way.
Posted by TigerCard
Cleveland, OH
Member since Nov 2009
890 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:35 pm to
quote:

And the moral of the story is Bryant had great QBs and won many titles. When he didn't have a great QB his team didn't do so well.


That's an intriguing thought. I don't know who his QBs were during those years, but it would be interesting to match up each year's record with the QBs he had at the time. But, of course, the idea that even Bear Bryant didn't always have a great QB can't even be considered. We all "know" that Les Miles is the only coach who has gone through several years running with bad QB play. (This is a subject that I want to address one of these days when I've got the time to do a little research.)
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:38 pm to
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So you're saying the Rant would have fired bear before the 1970 season?
Wooden before the 1963 season
Krzyzewski before the 1990 season
Tom Osbourne before the 1995 season
David Lee Roth after 1984
Joe Paterno before the 1986 season (but probably not during the 2011 season—nothing would surprise me)
Posted by broadcaster
Maurepas
Member since Sep 2013
2685 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:38 pm to
Looks like almost all Bears bowl losses was in Nc games or the next best bowl. Not mediocore bowls like Miles has been. Nice try though!
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70904 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:38 pm to
quote:

Not sure I'd buy this argument. (Were you around in those days?) Bama had a couple of mediocre years during that streak, but several times the team went into the bowl game undefeated. And this was a time when there weren't that many bowls, so they most of them were HUGE in terms of importance.



you should buy it. CFB is a multi billion dollar industry nowadays. No, I wasn't around in the 60's, but I think it's fair to say there is more pressure to win when you have coaches making 3-7 million dollars a year and coordinators are getting close to 2M

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I'm not trying to "rationalize" anything. Just pointing out the facts.... If you wish to say that the facts don't apply because they don't fit your narrative, that's up to you.



I don't have a narrative. You started the thread, and clearly had a narrative. I could easily go hand pick some random stats to justify or debunk just about any claim anyone could make about any team, ever. There's a lot of stats out there.

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Not sure why this is important. Miles might coach another eight years, he might not. What bearing does that have on the argument?



Well you were essentially justifying his poor bowl performances by comparing him to the 2nd best coach to ever live. My statement makes sense. You compare him to a coach who eventually went 7-1, sealing his legacy. I simply said Miles won't be coaching at LSU for another 8 years.
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 10:39 pm
Posted by emanresu
Member since Dec 2009
9367 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:39 pm to
Was Bryant plagued throughout his career with a well-supported history of QB underdevelopment? Because that's what everyone is bitching about.
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 10:40 pm
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:39 pm to
quote:

almost all Bears bowl losses was in Nc games or the next best bowl
Are seasons that end in such losses good seasons, or are they bad seasons?

Or are they good seasons for Alabama coaches and bad seasons for LSU coaches?
Posted by noonan
Nassau Bay, TX
Member since Aug 2005
36903 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:39 pm to
Than
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70904 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:40 pm to
quote:

OP is right ... LSU vs. ND was viewed by the masses as an even contest that really could go either way.



Not to mention OP just refers to 'bowls' that Bear's team played in. One can see which bowls these were and understand fully why his record was not so great early on. Hint: they were not tier 2-3 bowls.
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 10:43 pm
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70904 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:42 pm to
good post
Posted by ItsThatDude12
Giving out Mercy Knees
Member since Apr 2009
9927 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:44 pm to
Why are we comparing Miles and Bear Bryant. For a better comparison, compare Mack Brown.
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