re: Satanic Temple puts up display at Michigan Capital

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you realize how arrogant man is to think that he has any of this figured out for certain

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man can easily obtain certainty. I'm certain I'm a human being, of the male gender, living in Baton Rouge, etc.

The more complex you get the harder it is to have certainty. But certainty is obtainable to more things than just science.

This thread makes my eyes burn. Most everyone posting in here had to know it was going to devolve into the same ho hum nonsense.

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edit: not to mention that not all things in the universe have causes. I work in radiation oncology and you can't really say that radioactive decay has a cause. It's perfectly explainable by physics--we know exactly why it happens. But there's no obvious cause to any specific atom undergoing radioactive decay. It's a stochastic rather than deterministic phenomenon. We can only predict what will happen to large quantities of radioactive atoms, not single atoms.

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we have a different understanding of causality.

let me put it simple

an atom can potentially decay, when it begins to decay aka it moves from potentiality to actuality there is a cause of the decay. Even if it starts to do it by itself, it causes itself to decay.

NOTHING that changes does so without a cause. What I mean is that nothing that moves from potentiality to actuality does so without a reason. Nothing just happens with no explanation what so ever, even if that explication is found in itself.

Which I think gets at the answer of why the universe can't be the necessary being. The universe can't be the necessary being because it is changing and while I can't recall how to prove it logically, it is absurd that a changing thing (aka something moving from potentiality to actuality) can be the cause of itself.

Everything must have a cause is the principal of sufficient reason.

Basically it is this. For every event E, if E occurs, then there is a sufficient explanation for why E occurs.

I think reasonably it can be said. For every change there is a sufficient reason that it happens. I think it is reasonable to say that a sufficient reason can also be called a cause. Even if that cause is within itself.

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I can't buy certainty that your religion is the only true religion when religion itself has proven contradictory and obviously manmade over the centuries if you have the intellectual integrity to really investigate the matter.

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I never claimed this. But there are many many things that you can have certainty about. More than just basic statements like I exist, I'm a man, I'm 40. (pun intended ) I think you can have certainty in God it just takes a lot more reasoning and intellectual muster to do it, than a simple things like I live in Louisiana.

add: I think you can have certainty that a necessary being exists. I think it is also possible that you can have certainty that nothing that is created or changes is a necessary being, and following from that you can have certainty that the necessary being is unchanging (unmoved) and uncreated. You can go further and further with this. But certainty can be had on many things not just basic things.

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I always enjoy your take on religious subject matter here. Interesting discussion.

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Revisionist and selective interpretation.

Jesus was a Jew. At the time the Jewish religion was a mockery with followers having to pay priests for sacrifices and only with money that had been cleansed. Of course it costs to change your money. The priests took animals to the top of the temple and "sacrificed" them by supposedly burning them but often they'd kill the sheep and burn the guts and keep the meat for themselves.

They were sell outs to the Romans. They had in a sense sold their soul and turned in rebellious Jews in exchange for protection from Caesar.

Jesus set out to reform Judaism, not to start another religion. He continued the traditions of Judaism. So did the apostles.

James and Peter were not at all please with Paul's bastardazation of the religion. They eventually compromised. And the destruction of Rome destroyed the true church of what Jesus left behind.

Jesus and the Apostles would be very surprised to see what became of what they were.

Plus you can look at it logically.... For 3000 years God's chosen people were the Jews then all of a sudden he pivots and says never mind... Don't do what I asked you to do for 3000 years... Ignore all that and my followers who continue following my words. They're wrong. For the next 2000 years we're doing something new.


That's just dumb.

Sorry.

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catholictigerfan

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I'm a man

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pun intended

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Tigah, have you ever watched this?

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The pics don't do it justice.

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Maybe I shouldn't have said pun intended

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. . . or at least a Gundy footnote?

Now every time you post, RuPaul will come to mind