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re: Satanic Temple puts up display at Michigan Capital
Posted on 12/23/14 at 5:44 pm to rbWarEagle
Posted on 12/23/14 at 5:44 pm to rbWarEagle
quote:Not if translations of mind and soul are comparable.
In the end, yes, the message of eternal life through sacrificing your own life is quite different than deliverance of the mind.
quote:I hope so
Spirituality and goodness can be found without religion.
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Posted on 12/23/14 at 5:48 pm to catholictigerfan
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what do you mean by spirituality?
Overcoming of the feeling of separateness. A oneness with everything around us.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 5:50 pm to NC_Tigah
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Not if translations of mind and soul are comparable.
You mean what is felt by one is felt by all? I don't believe in the soul, so I'm not exactly sure how to navigate your statement.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 5:52 pm to rbWarEagle
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Neither you nor I know enough about quantum mechanics or physics to make such a claim.
Quantum Mechanics has nothing to do with what I just said.
I think the problem with my claim is that when I say matter it gets confused with matter in terms of science. Sure there can be a scientific origin of that I guess you could say.
I mean matter in terms of how Aristotle talked about it. Gravity is still a part of matter in the way I understand it philosophically.
Everything has form and matter.
Science studies the matter part it can't know why it exists because it only studies it. It's like this, we are limited to a 3D world, we can't know what it is like to live in a 4D world because we are limited to a 3D existence.
It's hard to try to explain these things to a culture that is to much tied up in science and not enough in philosophy. My point is science can't know the origin of all things because of the very nature of things science studies.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 5:52 pm to rbWarEagle
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Overcoming of the feeling of separateness. A oneness with everything around us.
that isn't how I understand spirituality but yeah you can do that without religion.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 5:56 pm to catholictigerfan
I see what you're saying but I disagree. We use science to test our physical (and mental) subjective and hopefully objective reality. Gravity likely has gravitons which we are working to understand. We're learning more and more about the origins of the universe and to sum it up with "god did it" is cutting the magnificence of reality short.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 5:59 pm to catholictigerfan
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that isn't how I understand spirituality
That's because our superstitious ancestors prescribed connotations to the word. The origin of spirit is from the word "breath".
Posted on 12/23/14 at 6:00 pm to catholictigerfan
let's put aside matter for a second because I think it confeses things.
Let me rephrase my question.
What is the origin of all created things? Material, spiritual, things of force, transcendent things (if those do exist) Pretty much what is the origin of all existing things?
Science can't get at this answer because it only studies created things.
Let me rephrase my question.
What is the origin of all created things? Material, spiritual, things of force, transcendent things (if those do exist) Pretty much what is the origin of all existing things?
Science can't get at this answer because it only studies created things.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 6:01 pm to rbWarEagle
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We're learning more and more about the origins of the universe and to sum it up with "god did it" is cutting the magnificence of reality short.
I'm not asking about the origin of the universe, because the origin of the universe could be some created thing. There could be a multiverse.
My question is what is the origin of all created things.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 6:02 pm to rbWarEagle
quote:I actually do. So there's the difference. Some waters are simply innavigable with craft available.
I don't believe in the soul, so I'm not exactly sure how to navigate your statement.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 6:07 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Again, not relevant. I don't have to understand or care about the message. It is free speech. I have no idea what message a nativity scene is putting out. Other than some historical scene.
What is the motive? . . . let me guess . . . . you don't have the intellectual curiosity to address the question. Translated to Cheeseheadese: "Uh, I dunno. Uh, I ain't gonna try ta figure it out. "
Btw, let's not go there in regards to intellect and states. Wisconsin crushes LA from grade school through public universities.
quote:You can judge all you want. Missed the point. It has no bearing. Not to mention your view is no more worthy than anyone else's. What you find sophomoric others find funny.
Of course I do. Just as do you regarding either the nativity or the pseudosatanist display.
Stop crying. Act like a man.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 6:07 pm to rbWarEagle
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It is not logical to believe in supernatural events, nor is it common sense (unless you're somehow speaking to me from the Stone Age).
So it's more logical to assume that everything seen and unseen in the entire universe simply happened by chance?
Posted on 12/23/14 at 6:10 pm to NC_Tigah
David Quinn tries to explain what I'm getting at. Start watching this at min 6 in this first link.
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sorry these links are very bias but they don't change the nature of the video. If you have time I encourage you to watch it. Does Quinn do a great job no, I don't think he does a good job of explaining what he means by matter. I think Quinn and Dawkins have a different understanding of what matter is. But if you understand what Quinn means by matter, Dawkins side is destroyed.
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sorry these links are very bias but they don't change the nature of the video. If you have time I encourage you to watch it. Does Quinn do a great job no, I don't think he does a good job of explaining what he means by matter. I think Quinn and Dawkins have a different understanding of what matter is. But if you understand what Quinn means by matter, Dawkins side is destroyed.
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 12/23/14 at 6:12 pm to catholictigerfan
quote:Actually, time is treated as a fourth dimension in physics, and some theoretical physicists work with even more mathematical dimensions than that.
Science studies the matter part it can't know why it exists because it only studies it. It's like this, we are limited to a 3D world, we can't know what it is like to live in a 4D world because we are limited to a 3D existence.
quote:That is very much a scientific question, and it's something that experimental and theoretical physicists are working on.
My point is science can't know the origin of all things because of the very nature of things science studies.
I think you're trying to say that science doesn't answer the question why as much as it answers the question how, which is true. But the origins of time, space, matter, and energy are all how questions.
With all that said: not having an answer for how the universe originated does not mean the best answer is, "god did it." Maybe it's the answer, but I don't see any evidence for it, so I don't believe it.
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 12/23/14 at 6:18 pm to catholictigerfan
another question that can't be answered by science.
What is the origin of existence? Is existence real? If existence is real, than itself or something else must be it's origin. If you got it from something else you can't be your own origin. Even an infinite chain of contingent existences needs an origin. There must be something that can't be contingent rather necessary. We call that being God.
What is the origin of existence? Is existence real? If existence is real, than itself or something else must be it's origin. If you got it from something else you can't be your own origin. Even an infinite chain of contingent existences needs an origin. There must be something that can't be contingent rather necessary. We call that being God.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 6:21 pm to Hog on the Hill
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With all that said: not having an answer for how the universe originated does not mean the best answer is, "god did it." Maybe it's the answer, but I don't see any evidence for it, so I don't believe it.
When I say the origin of matter I don't mean the origin of the universe.
and I'm not saying because we don't scientifically know it, God must do it. That is the argument of the gaps and I hate that. What I'm arguing by the very nature of contingent existing things, a necessary ever existing thing must exist. Science can't know the origin of contingent existing things because it only studies that. Show me one thing that science studies that isn't contingent on something else to exist.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 6:22 pm to catholictigerfan
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We call that being God.
The problem is, religions can't just leave it at that. I call it Universal Intelligence. But I don't tell others that my conception of Universal Intelligence is better than yours and if you don't agree with me, my Universal Intelligence will punish you forever. It's the manmade religious overlay that is the problem. It does nothing but cause divisions between people, countries etc. The exclusive claims of religious followers cause most of the tension we see on the planet today.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 6:23 pm to BuckyBadger
quote:States?
Btw, let's not go there in regards to intellect and states. Wisconsin crushes LA from grade school through public universities
Dude, you are here. You are addressing a specific poster. I am from Louisiana. If you have something to say, geaux for it. I'm more than happy to explore the concept of relative intellectuality with you.
quote:As I said, "Uh, I dunno, and uh, I ain't gonna try ta figure it out."
I don't have to understand or care about the message
Anything else to contribute, cheesehead?
Posted on 12/23/14 at 6:26 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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The problem is, religions can't just leave it at that.
I don't think you understand what I was saying there.
What I simply mean by saying we call that being God is that most people understand what I just proved must exist as God.
This is what Aquinas essentially did. He proved that a necessary being must exist. After he proved that this being must exist he goes on to say that, that thing I just proved is what most people call God. It's kind of a argument for our understanding of God being correct, but it isn't an argument for the existence of the Christian God. Rather it just says that our understanding of God is founded on reasonable principles.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 6:28 pm to catholictigerfan
I'm surprised the aminds haven't shut this down as this has gone WAY off topic
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