No you can't, since that child was conceived under an act of pure evil. That child by no sane person's mind should have ever been conceived. It does not deserve to see the light of day. I can see the argument when two idiots are fricking around and don't use protection and this happens, but no matter how you dice it with a rape, it's evil to let that child see the light of day. In its most basic form, what you're proposing is that God wanted that girl to get raped in order to conceive this child, to do who knows what holy plan for him. Basically for me, that proposes that God is evil and will let monstrous things happen just for the sake of procreation. I think God is a bit more humane than that and is understanding that this woman is in a traumatic and horrible situation, and she made due with the best option available to her, which is most certainly an abortion.

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The problem is that if you don't agree with abortion, you somehow want the mother to feel bad or you relish the idea of her being emotionally or psychologically damaged from it. Usually the opposite is true.

frick you

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It isn't callous to think that the child should have a chance at life, just because it was the result of a traumatic event. I can feel empathy towards the mother while desiring that she keep the child.

You are so delusional it makes me sick.

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Posted by FooManChoo

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Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:11 pm to OMLandshark

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Well, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

Don't care. This is a discussion forum, not a rape victims hotline. Doing what is right and what feels good are often two different things. You can be as comforting as you'd like to the mother without agreeing with the decision to kill the child.

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No you can't, since that child was conceived under an act of pure evil. That child by no sane person's mind should have ever been conceived. It does not deserve to see the light of day. I can see the argument when two idiots are fricking around and don't use protection and this happens, but no matter how you dice it with a rape, it's evil to let that child see the light of day. In its most basic form, what you're proposing is that God wanted that girl to get raped in order to conceive this child, to do who knows what holy plan for him. Basically for me, that proposes that God is evil and will let monstrous things happen just for the sake of procreation. I think God is a bit more humane than that and is understanding that this woman is in a traumatic and horrible situation, and she made due with the best option available to her, which is most certainly an abortion.

There's a lot wrong with this paragraph, but I'll keep it simple: your entire premise is based on the notion that the circumstances around the conception of a child outweigh the existence of the child after it has been conceived.

When it's all boiled down, conception happens because a sperm is implanted in an egg. The context around how that happens is irreverent in terms of judging the relevancy of the child, in my opinion.

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frick you

Looks like I was right about that emotion thing with you.

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You are so delusional it makes me sick.

You are so delusional and callous about the unborn child and it makes me sick.

See? I can play that game, too. It's not an argument, though.

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Posted by Sentrius

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Posted on 12/11/14 at 6:39 pm to OMLandshark

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OMLandshark

I may agree with you in this thread re: abortion and rape but I still I see a few flaws with your argument dealing in absolutes.

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It does not deserve to see the light of day.

I actually agree with this in spirit but... This is in yours and my opinion entirely as there are women who actually think otherwise and consider abortion to be evil and will never do it even after a rape. They see it as a child through and through that has no opinion or feelings whatsoever and will not resort to a eugenics tactic just to remove some emotionless suffering.

Of course, not every woman is strong enough to have a line of thinking like this and be actually mentally strong enough after a rape to carry it to term. It's for that reason why rape victims should never ever be stopped from getting an abortion and whoever tries to do so should be shamed.

Just saying that your position of deserving isn't really rational when the right to life is pretty well established.

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it's evil to let that child see the light of day.

Again, Opinion based here and rape victims who actually carry the baby to term disagree with you.

Are you of the opinion that rape victims who carry the baby to term are self torturing or mentally strong and courageous?

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