re: Help me pick mine and the GF's new carry guns

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I say replace the PM9 with two CM9s.

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Only real downside to the Kahr is the trigger. But, it is better to take a more powerful cartridge to the gunfight.

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If I had to take .380, it would be the smallest i could find....maybe a Ruger LCP.

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Ruger - same issue with the trigger, although I don't have as much experience with the little Rugers.

Speaking of which - for the OP, what's wrong with the Ruger LCR? You can get it in .357 (in which I would mainly carry .38 +P), no training, slide issues, very low maintenance, - probably your safest option in a pocket holster. The cylinder does tend to print a little bit and you're limited to 5 rounds.

But, for the purpose of use, I like an old fashioned wheelgun for SHTF gun.

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yeah, but bigger ball = bigger hole. I'm not talking about force as they are the same

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Yea if we're talking strictly FMJ, I'll take 45. But for modern JHPs, the playing field is leveled a bit. Both are still great options though.

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Bap - my P245 has 6+1 capacity (Mrs. Midnight's 627 holds 8 )

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True but my double stack 9mm carries 12+1.

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Lot to be said for 7 hits, as opposed to any number of misses with the Wonder Nines...

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Agreed that hits are more important than misses but I guess my personal philosophy is to prepare for the worst. I don't know if I would confidently be able to hit well with just 7 shots in ANY given situation. The last 5 could be the difference between me living and dying.

Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.

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I carry a S&W shield 9mm

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Just ordered one today

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I'll amend my "scratch guns w/ external safeties" comment to add the following (which I was already presuming): "unless the Op's GF is are going to practice a lot with her handgun."

I have seen lots of people forget to disengage their gun's safety at handgun matches. Under stress, people revert to their training and/or to strongly ingrained habits.

1. Most women do not practice much -- if any.

2. If she isn't going to practice, she really should have a "point & shoot" gun. (Unless you or she is gonna fiddle with the gun, and I think I covered that in my first post).

3. And since both guns should have similar operating controls and similar manuals of arms, neither should have an external safety.

Regarding the subsequent suggestions that you get .45 ACP's -- ignore that, too. The people telling you about the "bigger holes" are referring to holes in paper targets. Today's really good 9mm ammo makes significantly bigger holes in people than does the average .45 h.p. round. And as was pointed out, most CCW handguns will hold fewer .45 rounds than 9mm rounds.

Finally -- quit looking for advice on an internet forum. Most of us know very little about self-defense handguns, and some of us know a lot less than that.

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Instead of starting a new thread, what is your opinion on Kel-Tec in general?

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It really depends on what it is, but for the most part they try to make guns "affordable" which means they use cheaper materials. It may not directly translate to "cheap" but they feel that way.

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A 14 oz double stack 9mm is awfully light. And I don't mind recoil so much; nor do I mind less pretty machining and plastic molding (Ruger tends to make some of the same handguns as Kel Tec but seemingly better aesthetics). But is quality a concern with Kel-Tec?

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I would probably read some reviews from owners of Keltec guns. A great resource is actually Bud's Gun Shop. They let their customers review guns they buy from them. If someone has issues with their gun, they are a lot more likely to be honest on the internet.

Read reviews from real users, not from magazines that review products they advertise. They never seem to be critical enough.

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ETA: Also, what is your Youtube Channel name again?

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BigApple0828

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love my P238 and P938

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+1

And in a defense scenario a .380 will kill a man dead. Period.

last I checked, they made .45 in JHP

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Sorry no help on the guns.

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last I checked, they made .45 in JHP

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If you go back & re-read my post, you'll see that I said, "Today's really good 9mm ammo makes significantly bigger holes in people than does the average .45 h.p. round. And as was pointed out, most CCW handguns will hold fewer .45 rounds than 9mm rounds."

".45 h.p." = .45 hollow point. I guess I could have made that clearer.

I think my comment is still correct.

But, it's predicated on taking the time to look for the "premium" 9mm ammo. If a person isn't going to go to the trouble to do that, the .45 hp might be a better choice.