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How to fix the Big 12
Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:03 pm
To properly get to 12 teams, you need schools that pull their weight in other sports besides football, but are good enough in football that they don't shite themselves when the ball is snapped.
They also need to add markets and not have a stupid geographic footprint.
The simple solution is to start by making an east and west division. Have I-35 be the theoretical dividing line between the two divisions.
Based on this, before you add anyone, you split the current 10 teams as follows:
Big 12 West
Kansas State
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas Tech
Big 12 East
Baylor
Iowa State
Kansas
Oklahoma State
TCU
West Virginia
At this point, you either add 2 teams west of I35 (Colorado State and New Mexico) or you add 1 west team (Colorado State), move Kansas west, and add 1 east team (Memphis)
Let's assume the 2nd option.
Now your divisions are:
Big 12 West: CSU, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas Tech
Big 12 East: Baylor, Iowa State, Memphis, Oklahoma State, TCU, West Virginia
For the Texas schools, you use a 5-2-2 format for scheduling (all Texas schools play each other every year). For the Oklahoma schools, you use a 5-1-3 format. For everyone else, you use a 5-4 format, trying to ensure that Big 8 opponents play as much as possible.
For your championship game, you rotate between East and West every year.
East: Houston, Kansas City
West: Arlington, Denver
Now you have a conference that is:
Power 5 in football
Great in basketball
Decent in womens' basketball
Average in baseball (ever since A&M and Nebraska left that was inevitable)
Decent in other sports
They also need to add markets and not have a stupid geographic footprint.
The simple solution is to start by making an east and west division. Have I-35 be the theoretical dividing line between the two divisions.
Based on this, before you add anyone, you split the current 10 teams as follows:
Big 12 West
Kansas State
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas Tech
Big 12 East
Baylor
Iowa State
Kansas
Oklahoma State
TCU
West Virginia
At this point, you either add 2 teams west of I35 (Colorado State and New Mexico) or you add 1 west team (Colorado State), move Kansas west, and add 1 east team (Memphis)
Let's assume the 2nd option.
Now your divisions are:
Big 12 West: CSU, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas Tech
Big 12 East: Baylor, Iowa State, Memphis, Oklahoma State, TCU, West Virginia
For the Texas schools, you use a 5-2-2 format for scheduling (all Texas schools play each other every year). For the Oklahoma schools, you use a 5-1-3 format. For everyone else, you use a 5-4 format, trying to ensure that Big 8 opponents play as much as possible.
For your championship game, you rotate between East and West every year.
East: Houston, Kansas City
West: Arlington, Denver
Now you have a conference that is:
Power 5 in football
Great in basketball
Decent in womens' basketball
Average in baseball (ever since A&M and Nebraska left that was inevitable)
Decent in other sports
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:19 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
I think you keep it North/South and add two new teams to the Big 12 South:
Big 12 North
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
Kansas
Kansas State
West Virginia
Iowa State
Big 12 South
Texas
TCU
Baylor
Texas Tech
?
?
Big 12 North
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
Kansas
Kansas State
West Virginia
Iowa State
Big 12 South
Texas
TCU
Baylor
Texas Tech
?
?
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:23 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
I know it's a moot point but I'll never understand why the Big 12 sat on its hands while it was bleeding members and the other power conferences were solidifying by adding members. It didn't work, but some Big 12 fans will try to convince you that it was the best way to go...
They could have grabbed Louisville and maybe even partnered with ND (similar to how the ACC has) if they had acted instead of sitting at 10.
They could have grabbed Louisville and maybe even partnered with ND (similar to how the ACC has) if they had acted instead of sitting at 10.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:24 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Texas and OU go to the PAC 12 - that is how it gets fixed.
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:29 pm to nelatf
quote:I think both schools lose some identity if they move to the Pac 12...
Texas and OU go to the PAC 12
Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:38 pm to Chicken
I think they'll eventually blow the whole CFB conferences up and re-arrange them into regional leagues, meaning Mizzou will be back with midwest teams, WVU/Pitt/Penn State/Maryland all in the same league, and so forth.
Either that or college football will just cease to exist because of concussion lawsuits and safety concerns.
Either that or college football will just cease to exist because of concussion lawsuits and safety concerns.
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:41 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
I would say add Memphis and Cincinnati, but that only does a little. If it had been UTx and OU instead of TCU and Baylor this year, the Big12 isn't left out. Same if OSU had been OU in 2011.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:42 pm to Sevendust912
quote:
WVU/Pitt/Penn State/Maryland all in the same league,
Add VA Tech to bring back the WVU-Tech rivalry.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:45 pm to Tiger Live2
quote:
Add VA Tech to bring back the WVU-Tech rivalry.
Yeah, Paterno wanted the Eastern conference but it never came about
Penn State
Miami
Maryland
Florida State
WVU
Virginia Tech
Notre Dame
BC
Pitt
Syracuse
Not horrible
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:48 pm to Sevendust912
He'll that would likely be better than the Big 10, or ACC.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:59 pm to nelatf
quote:
Texas and OU go to the PAC 12 - that is how it gets fixed
You don't understand the politics involved with that.
1. The reason A&M was able to move while the legislature was out of session is because Texas arrogantly convinced the remaining members that TCU was an upgrade and that A&M was easily replaced.
2. The PAC 12 said no to Texas as long as the Longhorn Network existed and no to Oklahoma without Texas. PAC 12 Networks, while funded by the conference and its member schools, is a Fox property. They won't allow Texas to join until or unless ESPN gives ground on their network.
3. Until T. Boone Pickens is dead, Oklahoma doesn't do a damn thing without Oklahoma State attached to them. The PAC 12 already proved that they can't go anywhere without Texas either.
4. Texas has what's called a "Tech/Baylor problem". While Ken Starr's lawsuit against the SEC would have been thrown out if it had moved forward, Baylor can claim real and concrete damages if Texas leaves them behind.
5. Texas has been exposed as a toxic business partner. No conference will take them as is without significant checks against them in place.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:04 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Need to add Colorado State in the west and Cincinnati in the east for West Virginia to have a rivalry with.
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:07 pm to Muahahaha
Cinci is never going to be our rival even if they are in the Big 12. Our rivals are Pitt, VT, and Maryland.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:08 pm to Chicken
LSU and arky to the big 12 south
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:10 pm to Sevendust912
quote:
Cinci is never going to be our rival even if they are in the Big 12. Our rivals are Pitt, VT, and Maryland.
True; however, I was thinking about a league rival since the other are not in the Big 12.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:11 pm to Muahahaha
Im really starting to like the East/West alignment with Colorado St and Cincinnati. This scenario also lets you set up for future expansion of Memphis and BYU should they feel the need to expand again.
EAST:
Cincinnati
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
West Virginia
**Memphis
WEST:
Baylor
Colorado State
Oklahoma
TCU
Texas
Texas Tech
**BYU
EAST:
Cincinnati
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
West Virginia
**Memphis
WEST:
Baylor
Colorado State
Oklahoma
TCU
Texas
Texas Tech
**BYU
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:13 pm to Sevendust912
quote:
I think they'll eventually blow the whole CFB conferences up and re-arrange them into regional leagues, meaning Mizzou will be back with midwest teams, WVU/Pitt/Penn State/Maryland all in the same league, and so forth.
When you say 'they', who are you referring to? What person or entity possesses the legal power to do that? The NCAA? I don't think so? The Playoff Committee? No. Unless the conferences themselves elected to move in this direction (and the powerful ones such as the SEC, PAC 12 and B1G would stand to gain nothing) it's never going to happen.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:16 pm to Buckeye Backer
quote:
EAST:
Cincinnati
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
West Virginia
**Memphis
WEST:
Baylor
Colorado State
Oklahoma
TCU
Texas
Texas Tech
**BYU
there is no balance...the best teams are in the West
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:16 pm to Buckeye Backer
Have to split the Texas schools to make it even, hence using I35 as the dividing line.
Under your proposal:
West:
BYU
Colorado State
Kansas State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
East:
Baylor
Cincinnati
Iowa State
Kansas
Memphis
TCU
West Virginia
Under your proposal:
West:
BYU
Colorado State
Kansas State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
East:
Baylor
Cincinnati
Iowa State
Kansas
Memphis
TCU
West Virginia
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:44 pm to heartbreakTiger
quote:hmmmm...I honestly think LA is more closely tied to TX than the other Dixie states...
LSU and arky to the big 12 south
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