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re: Planned Parenthood tweets using #BlackLivesMatter
Posted on 12/2/14 at 1:29 pm to SpidermanTUba
Posted on 12/2/14 at 1:29 pm to SpidermanTUba
TUba.....
Stop being a racist white liberal apologist ....the new plantation owners in America....keep dem black folk on the Gubment dole!!!
Stop being a racist white liberal apologist ....the new plantation owners in America....keep dem black folk on the Gubment dole!!!
Posted on 12/2/14 at 1:36 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Thomas Jefferson
Wanted to assail slavery in the Declaration of Indepedence - was overruled.
How simple a world in which you must live, when the real one is so complex?
Posted on 12/2/14 at 1:38 pm to dante
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Condoms are sold in every C-store, drug store, grocery store in the country.....over the counter and cheap.
True, but there is also no good reason to keep prescription controls on oral contraceptives - they pretty much know the science on those.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 1:39 pm to SpidermanTUba
Margaret Sanger publically said she started PP to kill black people.
do you have a problem with that?
do you have a problem with that?
Posted on 12/2/14 at 1:40 pm to SpidermanTUba
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So does this mean payday lenders are racist for locating primarily in minority communities?
payday lenders aren't killing babies
Posted on 12/2/14 at 1:45 pm to CptBengal
quote:I believe you but you might to have some facts for tuba.
Margaret Sanger publically said she started PP to kill black people.
do you have a problem with that?
Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:12 pm to SpidermanTUba
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So go for it!
just logged back in. you're on once i find time to just do one post and no back and forth. i have work to do.
but a few points off the top of my head:
1) a NATION of SOVEREIGN STATES was built in the 18th century by all sorts of people, including those who wanted to abolish slavery. while margaret sanger--whose whole life was centered around eugenics-- started the roots of planned parenthood in the 20th century, for the sole purpose of implementing her eugenics principles on people.
Your example contains people of a certain time influenced to certain degrees in certain areas by some vaguely "racist" principles. PP was founded by someone whose entire purpose was to implement specifically racist principles--racist by their very nature and for purposes of creating a certain type of population. Show me that prevailing attitude anywhere in our founding fathers' words or actions.
2) Related: you start with FF quotes and I'll rebut with MS quotes--this gon be good, as they say up in here.
This post was edited on 12/2/14 at 9:21 pm
Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:22 pm to dante
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I believe you but you might to have some facts for tuba.
i've invited him to a quote duel. I have original sources by MS, and not some pro-life propaganda material, too.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:41 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Citizenship doesn't attach until birth.
Hmmm? Explain to us why when a pregnant woman is murdered, the felon is charged with killing two people.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:59 pm to Ace Midnight
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Wanted to assail slavery in the Declaration of Indepedence - was overruled.
How simple a world in which you must live, when the real one is so complex?
Nothing complex about a pig like Jefferson who continued to rape his 13 year old slave girl (and others) & hold people in bondage until he died several decades later.
Pick another 'founding father' like Thomas Paine perhaps who was less 'rapey' like Jefferson & was truly sickened by the institution of slavery (Or John Adams).
The desperation some people go through to defend racists pigs like Jefferson is truly astounding.
Most founding Fathers were fairly content with slavery & no one wants to hear about Jefferson's feelings of guilt about being a rapist/slave owner.
I
Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:10 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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frick planned parenthood.
My problem with planned parenthood isnt so much in the services they provide, as they do provide many beneficial services to women. I do not agree with abortion but that does not invalidate everything else they do.
My problem with them is the manipulative and dishonest methods they use to stir up support and get their message out. They play on the emotions of the public and endorse the "war on women" mindset, and anyone speaking out against any one service they provide is equivalent to hating women.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:22 pm to sugar71
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Nothing complex about a pig like Jefferson who continued to rape his 13 year old slave girl (and others) & hold people in bondage until he died several decades later.
Of course it's complex - Sally Hemings could have remained in France and petitioned for emancipation. As it is, laws against slavery ended up having Jefferson pay her wages while they were in France. She, more or less, voluntarily returned with Jefferson, reportedly based on a promise (completely unenforceable) he made to free her child (and presumably, any additional children they had) - and he ultimately freed all of the Hemings children, and she was de facto living as a free person with them. The children themselves were 7/8 European in ancestry and 3 out of the 4 of them lived as free whites in the North (or D.C.) after manumission. If Thomas Jefferson was, indeed, the father of Madison Hemings (consensus, but not the unanimous opinion), then Jefferson himself was the grandfather of at least 2 Union soldiers, one who served in a colored regiment, and another as a white man in the regular U.S. Army.
We have so much compassion for drug addicts today - why can't we at least try to understand this was very, very complicated. Slavery was very much akin to the South being addicted to heroin. It was not all "12 Years a Slave" and "Uncle Tom's Cabin" (although that portrayal was accurate for heavy cotton plantations in the deep south, no question about it, and a moral depravity across the board) - it was a moral depravity and it ate at the soul of the slaveholders.
But is it not possible that the widower, Thomas Jefferson, might have had genuine affection for this girl (yes his property) and she might have returned it? The institution itself was utterly corrupt - no question, but the problem with dismissing all of this is that these were real people living real lives the best they knew how. Reading Jefferson's writings on liberty, government, even slavery betrays the fact he was deeply conflicted and not the amoral monster than modern historical revisionists try to make him out to be.
Washington, perhaps our greatest leader, was also affected by the stain of slavery. Many prominent confederates also felt both disgusted and trapped by the peculiar institution. I don't try to sweep it under the rug, but "slavery" was not the only thing that happened during that period.
Likewise, generations of slaves existed, fell in love, had children, raised and loved their children (and, yes the institution fricked that up quite a bit, too), laughed, cried, suffered, celebrated and lived - the best they could - just as humans do.
The real world is incredibly complex. Sometimes these partisan issues try to make it as simple as black and white - but it just isn't that simple. Almost nothing is.
Take abortion for example...
This post was edited on 12/2/14 at 10:26 pm
Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:27 pm to anc
"Hands up, don't D&C my uterus"
Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:28 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:31 pm to anc
Should this become a Margaret Sanger quote fest re her love for black people?
Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:34 pm to John McClane
if you want to cheat on the test, then just read this--every single mental and historical contortion one could possibly fathom on the topic is contained in this piece and ESPECIALLY in its comments.
LINK
LINK
Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:52 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I do not agree with abortion but that does not invalidate everything else they do.
To me, it does.
Not saying others should necessarily share my view, but to me the very concept of abortion is so heinous to me that I can't bring myself to support anything about an organization that carries it out.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 2:32 am to Jim Ignatowski
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not the way they act, teach their children to not respect each other or any authority.
um frick you
the majority of us don't do this.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 7:09 am to Roger Klarvin
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My problem with them is the manipulative and dishonest methods they use to stir up support and get their message out. They play on the emotions of the public and endorse the "war on women" mindset, and anyone speaking out against any one service they provide is equivalent to hating women.
Spot on
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