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So what's wrong with the lapel camera idea?
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:16 pm
I don't see the downside.
Eliminate the uncertainty and assumptions that give an entry point to the Sharptons of the world, and at the same time keep law enforcement on the up-and-up.
Where am I wrong?
Eliminate the uncertainty and assumptions that give an entry point to the Sharptons of the world, and at the same time keep law enforcement on the up-and-up.
Where am I wrong?
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:17 pm to DaGarun
You are not wrong, it is a great idea.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:21 pm to Joshjrn
It's a good idea...but you will never be able to think what that officer is thinking in a serious situation.
It will give good insight, but people will still bash about what the cop decides to do.
It will give good insight, but people will still bash about what the cop decides to do.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:22 pm to gaetti15
quote:
It's a good idea...but you will never be able to think what that officer is thinking in a serious situation. It will give good insight, but people will still bash about what the cop decides to do.
Agreed. But still a good idea
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:22 pm to DaGarun
quote:Because so far, none of the jurisdictions that have implemented them have implemented a corresponding rule of adverse inference against the state when the camera is off.
I don't see the downside.
Eliminate the uncertainty and assumptions that give an entry point to the Sharptons of the world, and at the same time keep law enforcement on the up-and-up.
Where am I wrong?
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Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:24 pm to Radiojones
There is cost, of course, but compared to what? What's the cost of false police brutality cases? Or the cost of someone killed by a dirty cop?
What's the cost for Wilson, who even if he acted as the GJ said, can never go back to the way it was. Can you imagine? You do everything right, follow training to a "T", but your life changes forever, and not in a good way.
I think its a small price to pay as a nation.
What's the cost for Wilson, who even if he acted as the GJ said, can never go back to the way it was. Can you imagine? You do everything right, follow training to a "T", but your life changes forever, and not in a good way.
I think its a small price to pay as a nation.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:28 pm to gaetti15
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but you will never be able to think what that officer is thinking in a serious situation.
I agree, but sometimes what an officer thinks can be wrong, too. It's not "free reign" if they think something unreasonable, imo.
If I was a cop, I think I'd want that thing running 24/7
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:31 pm to Iosh
quote:
none of the jurisdictions that have implemented them have implemented a corresponding rule of adverse inference against the state when the camera is off.
Ok, throw that in too. In fact, don't even give control to the officer on-site.
This post was edited on 11/25/14 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:32 pm to DaGarun
Just like instant replay in football it won't solve everything, but it will certainly help.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:32 pm to DaGarun
People should be careful of what they ask for
If the video quality is good it will increase convictions of Minorities
That is until defense attorneys begin fighting to exclude the videos in trial because they violate the defendants rights since he never gave permission to be video taped.
If the video quality is good it will increase convictions of Minorities
That is until defense attorneys begin fighting to exclude the videos in trial because they violate the defendants rights since he never gave permission to be video taped.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:35 pm to Chappy
quote:
People should be careful of what they ask for
If the video quality is good it will increase convictions of Minorities
Maybe. Maybe not. Either way, I don't see the downside yet.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:36 pm to DaGarun
There is literally no downside, for cop or citizen.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:42 pm to DaGarun
As a future lawyer i think everyone should wear a video camera while on the job.
Of course you couldn't look at mine because that is privileged.
Of course you couldn't look at mine because that is privileged.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:52 pm to Rickety Cricket
quote:
There is literally no downside, for cop or citizen.
True - and it will cut out a lot of the bullshite claims by defense attys.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:55 pm to DaGarun
1. Prefer a glasses type of camera. Where my eyes are looking is not always to my front.
2. Threats don't always come from the front.
My take on cameras, love them if:
1. High frame rate and a field of view to mimic as close as possible to the human field of vision. (another reason for a head mounted camera)
2. Have all supervisors and admins wear them when dealing with the public and subordinates. (gets unions on board, I'm not in one by the way)
3. If any wrongdoing is alleged, the accused officer has right to a certified copy of all audio and video footage. (again for the officer's discovery, this is huge. It will get the line cops onboard with a fair shake for administrative hearings.)
4. Allow cops and citizens to use any and all video for criminal and civil litigation. If it is not requested it should be stored on a secure server for a minimum of 2 years. I prefer 6 for AL statute of limitations. (cost could be a big barrier)
5. Set when the camera must be on. For example:
a) lights on
b) exceeding a set cruiser speed
c) cruiser collision sensor
d) voluntary activation {any non consensual contact}
e) rifle rack release
Just off the top of my head.
2. Threats don't always come from the front.
My take on cameras, love them if:
1. High frame rate and a field of view to mimic as close as possible to the human field of vision. (another reason for a head mounted camera)
2. Have all supervisors and admins wear them when dealing with the public and subordinates. (gets unions on board, I'm not in one by the way)
3. If any wrongdoing is alleged, the accused officer has right to a certified copy of all audio and video footage. (again for the officer's discovery, this is huge. It will get the line cops onboard with a fair shake for administrative hearings.)
4. Allow cops and citizens to use any and all video for criminal and civil litigation. If it is not requested it should be stored on a secure server for a minimum of 2 years. I prefer 6 for AL statute of limitations. (cost could be a big barrier)
5. Set when the camera must be on. For example:
a) lights on
b) exceeding a set cruiser speed
c) cruiser collision sensor
d) voluntary activation {any non consensual contact}
e) rifle rack release
Just off the top of my head.
This post was edited on 11/25/14 at 10:18 pm
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:57 pm to DaGarun
People that are opposed to it should be someone not of high moral value and should be seen and treated with suspicion.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:12 pm to Five0
quote:
5. Set when the camera must be on. For example:
a) lights on
b) exceeding a set cruiser speed
c) cruiser collision sensor
d) voluntary activation {any non consensual contact}
e) rifle rack release
ALWAYS. In this case supposedly there was a dash cam but the audio was switched off. Would have resolved a TON of questions.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:17 pm to mmcgrath
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but the audio was switched off.
or the battery was dead. The body mic is the weak point. Our charging cradles in the car are a pain to deal with, and the charge will not last a full shift (12 hours for me). I doubt they would last 8. I know they will not recording and I have never had one last the whole time in standby mode either.
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