- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: We Have a Moral Divide, Not a Racial One
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:22 pm to Big Scrub TX
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:22 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
You are much more likely to be arrested/prosecuted if you are black for the exact same crime than if you are white.
LOL
So you are OK with someone getting away with crime?
Funny in your argument you mention a crime was in fact committed isn't that the point?
Nevermind
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:24 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
You are much more likely to be arrested/prosecuted if you are black for the exact same crime than if you are white
Link? You are more likely to commit crimes if you are black. See how fun making shite up is?
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:32 pm to Elcid96
quote:
So you are OK with someone getting away with crime?
I'm OK with decriminalizing many of the crimes that are on our books now. I'm also OK with walking WAY back the prosecutorial power we have handed the executive branch in this country. The 4th Amendment has been utterly pissed on. Ask Slow Flow Pro if you don't believe me.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:32 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
'm OK with decriminalizing many of the crimes that are on our books now. I'm also OK with walking WAY back the prosecutorial power we have handed the executive branch in this country. The 4th Amendment has been utterly pissed on. Ask Slow Flow Pro if you don't believe me.
Strawman now...back to your losing argument please.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:33 pm to 2close2Gainesville
quote:
Feel free to rebut, don't just say nothing.
Whites and blacks, on average, use drugs about the same percentage.
Therefore, there are more white people at this very moment illectly using narcotics.
Blacks, however, make up a much larger percentage of the incarceration in our nation than whites.
Also, the crack sentencing vs coke sentencing in our nation reeks of overt racism.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:41 pm to CherryGarciaMan
quote:
Whites and blacks, on average, use drugs about the same percentage. Therefore, there are more white people at this very moment illectly using narcotics. Blacks, however, make up a much larger percentage of the incarceration in our nation than whites. Also, the crack sentencing vs coke sentencing in our nation reeks of overt racism.
This. Also, whites and blacks DEAL in about the same %'s.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:43 pm to CherryGarciaMan
I'm sure you have a link to back that up. Did you ever even consider that there are way more white people, hows that for percentages? Black people also commit more crimes, how's that for making shite up?
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:43 pm to CherryGarciaMan
quote:
Also, the crack sentencing vs coke sentencing in our nation reeks of overt racism.
Wonder who pushed for that?
You would be surprised.
So lets give the white guy the same amount of time. Problem solved.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:43 pm to CherryGarciaMan
![](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/Images/Icons/Iconrotflmao.gif)
![](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/Images/Icons/Iconrotflmao.gif)
That is a fat pitch, HOMERUN.
Black men are a far higher percentage of DRUG DEALERS, which gets jail time, cops are after dealers moreso than dumb users.
As they should be.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:45 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:I'll take your word for that. But I'm guessing that blacks tend to deal in higher crime areas with more police patrols, so they probably get caught in the act more often.
This. Also, whites and blacks DEAL in about the same %'s.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:50 pm to DelU249
I can tell you why we sometimes see ourselves as black first:
Due to age old and systematic bouts with local, state, and institutional racism, various aspects of our lives were first regulated to our "black" blood. Look at the classifications slave masters made for mixed people's "quad-roon", "mulatto" etc. Look at the 3/5th compromise, Dred Scott's case, the fight against abolition, the civil war, etc.
All of those horrible events were seemingly passed on through our color to future generations that had to deal with tangible incidents of oppression.
Yet we have boards like this that do not thing that the sins our country have a had any sort of pandemic effect on that group. Some members of that group thinks it's damn obvious and they get upset when they see things like this event happen. It's like reliving emit till for some folks (in not drawing that comparison myself).
Old
Age white supremacy and terrorism humiliated and embarassed the humanity of a group for centuries, leaving long lasting residual effects and to some it sometimes looks like the strives we have made have been disingenuous because of all the back pedals we take and all of the lingering racial fears and bias.
This board never asks itself what it can do better to help mend this Divide. They pin it on the backs of the historically oppressed group. From an historical standpoint, they never ask themselves what they can do as a group to help mend it.
It's short-sighted and ignorant of our history, and if we want to bridge the gap, the historical monarchs in this case are gonna have to make serious strides on inter-relational standpoint to help bridge this gap.
Due to age old and systematic bouts with local, state, and institutional racism, various aspects of our lives were first regulated to our "black" blood. Look at the classifications slave masters made for mixed people's "quad-roon", "mulatto" etc. Look at the 3/5th compromise, Dred Scott's case, the fight against abolition, the civil war, etc.
All of those horrible events were seemingly passed on through our color to future generations that had to deal with tangible incidents of oppression.
Yet we have boards like this that do not thing that the sins our country have a had any sort of pandemic effect on that group. Some members of that group thinks it's damn obvious and they get upset when they see things like this event happen. It's like reliving emit till for some folks (in not drawing that comparison myself).
Old
Age white supremacy and terrorism humiliated and embarassed the humanity of a group for centuries, leaving long lasting residual effects and to some it sometimes looks like the strives we have made have been disingenuous because of all the back pedals we take and all of the lingering racial fears and bias.
This board never asks itself what it can do better to help mend this Divide. They pin it on the backs of the historically oppressed group. From an historical standpoint, they never ask themselves what they can do as a group to help mend it.
It's short-sighted and ignorant of our history, and if we want to bridge the gap, the historical monarchs in this case are gonna have to make serious strides on inter-relational standpoint to help bridge this gap.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:54 pm to Elcid96
quote:
Wonder who pushed for that? You would be surprised
Nope. Don't think I would be surprised.
I was kind of surprised to see Bush speaking about ending it, though.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:55 pm to Elcid96
quote:
Wonder who pushed for that?
Well, Reagan spearheaded the War on Drugs (despite the fact that drug use was declining prior to its adoption).
The House passed a $2 Billion spending bill in September 1986 which eventually became the Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986 which Reagan signed. This was the bill that created the asymmetric (100:1) penalties for crack vs powder.
The House was dem, the Senate was rep and the Pres was rep...not sure what your point is.
quote:
So lets give the white guy the same amount of time. Problem solved.
OR let's overhaul the entire thing and stop putting non-violent possessors into the prison system.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:56 pm to L.A.
quote:
But I'm guessing that blacks tend to deal in higher crime areas with more police patrols, so they probably get caught in the act more often.
That seems circular to me. If we know that whites deal just as much, then wouldn't we by definition find a lot more crime in white areas if we simply looked?
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:56 pm to L.A.
It's a culture issue.
My son is in high school. His best friend is black. Nicest kid you'd ever meet. His parents are both teachers and while they aren't rich, they do all they can for their kids. He gets shite DAILY from other black kids at school for having white friends, the way he talks, etc, etc. Fortunately, his parents keep his head straight.
Lots of black folks, including Mike Brown, either get shot or can't get ahead in our society because they are too concerned with "keeping it real". The black community needs to work on destigmatizing this.
My son is in high school. His best friend is black. Nicest kid you'd ever meet. His parents are both teachers and while they aren't rich, they do all they can for their kids. He gets shite DAILY from other black kids at school for having white friends, the way he talks, etc, etc. Fortunately, his parents keep his head straight.
Lots of black folks, including Mike Brown, either get shot or can't get ahead in our society because they are too concerned with "keeping it real". The black community needs to work on destigmatizing this.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:56 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
Well, Reagan spearheaded the War on Drugs (despite the fact that drug use was declining prior to its adoption).
The House passed a $2 Billion spending bill in September 1986 which eventually became the Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986 which Reagan signed. This was the bill that created the asymmetric (100:1) penalties for crack vs powder.
The House was dem, the Senate was rep and the Pres was rep...not sure what your point is.
Who pushed for the increased in crack sentencing...nice try though.
May be the communities who were hit hardest by its problems clown.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:56 pm to StrongSafety
quote:
This board never asks itself what it can do better to help mend this Divide.
While you're pointing that finger at "this board", remember, three are pointing back at you.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:57 pm to StrongSafety
I'm Native-American. How does that make you feel?
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:00 pm to Elcid96
quote:
Who pushed for the increased in crack sentencing...nice try though.
The media had a huge impact.
Remember the TIME cover about the crack baby? Turned out not to be true.
Fear mongering has been a carrot for our societal horse.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:02 pm to StrongSafety
quote:
This board never asks itself what it can do better to help mend this Divide. They pin it on the backs of the historically oppressed group. From an historical standpoint, they never ask themselves what they can do as a group to help mend it.
Preach. Granted, the black community makes it easy to pin it all on them and in fact the problems cannot be fixed as long as the self-imposed problems in that community remain prevalent, BUT by focusing only on that, we are not looking at the whole picture and we are not focusing on the things that are in our control.
quote:
It's short-sighted and ignorant of our history, and if we want to bridge the gap, the historical monarchs in this case are gonna have to make serious strides on inter-relational standpoint to help bridge this gap.
I agree with this. But then again, I'm 34 and am only now starting to think in this way. Prior to the last year or so, I would have been first in line to say that everything you said in this post was bullcrap.
This post was edited on 11/25/14 at 2:04 pm
Popular
Back to top
![logo](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/images/layout/TDIcon.jpg)