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re: Official Ferguson Live Riot Thread - Wilson to NOT be Indicted!
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:44 pm to TigerFanatic99
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:44 pm to TigerFanatic99
The decision not to indict was probably proper, although why not let a jury decide? The standard for an indictment is considerably lower than the standard for a guilty verdict, and jury nullification would have occurred. However I do question not if it was proper to shoot Michael Brown; it probably was. My question is why the excessive shots? The head shot, which came after, seemed excessive to me.
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Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:46 pm to LSUfanalways
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The decision not to indict was probably proper, although why not let a jury decide?
A jury did decide
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The standard for an indictment is considerably lower than the standard for a guilty verdict
Should tell you all you need to know
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My question is why the excessive shots? The head shot, which came after, seemed excessive to me.
You don't know what you are talking about. An officer is trained that way. When you shoot, you shoot to kill.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:49 pm to LSUfanalways
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The decision not to indict was probably proper, although why not let a jury decide? The standard for an indictment is considerably lower than the standard for a guilty verdict, and jury nullification would have occurred. However I do question not if it was proper to shoot Michael Brown; it probably was. My question is why the excessive shots? The head shot, which came after, seemed excessive to me.
You don't take a case to trial unless there's a chance of conviction.
Anyone who has taken any type of defensive weapons training knows that you engage the threat until it is no longer a threat. It could be 1 shot or it could be 20. He didn't stand over MB and keep pumping rounds into him.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:49 pm to LSUfanalways
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The head shot, which came after, seemed excessive to me.
The head shot was because he put his head down to charge. How would that be excessive?
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:50 pm to LSUfanalways
Trained to empty the clip.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:52 pm to LSUfanalways
I'd be very surprised if there isn't a federal indictment on civil rights violations. Even if not, Wilson's career and any idea of a normal life are effectively over for him and his wife. Just an ugly situation from both sides.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 1:00 pm to LSUfanalways
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why the excessive shots? The head shot, which came after, seemed excessive to me.
You shoot to kill.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 3:51 pm to LSUfanalways
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However I do question not if it was proper to shoot Michael Brown; it probably was. My question is why the excessive shots?
This is a common misconception of the public. This isn't a video game where you just shoot. You get what is called "tunnel vision" and you don't know how many shots you fire in a situation like this. It happens so fast and the adrenaline is pumping pretty hard at this point. The head shot is the one that stopped him.
Officers in this situation only have a accuracy of around 25%. On the most guys shoot 90% at a paper target and then in real life it goes down to 25%.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 4:25 pm to LSUfanalways
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My question is why the excessive shots? The head shot, which came after, seemed excessive to me.
You asked an honest question so I will build off of the response of others. Once the decision was made to use deadly force (which took less than a second) then training takes over. He would continue to engage until the target was neutralized/no longer presenting a threat. It is not about number of shots (he is not even counting them - he would have kept firing until he had an empty chamber and then would have transitioned to a reload drill) but rather intended effect. Excessive would have been if Mike Brown was on the ground, incapacitated and Officer Wilson walks up to him and shoots him again.
Sorry. Those are the facts. This is not a video game where you immediately know the effect of your fire on your target. This is real life.
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