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re: Why is it so difficult for LSU to develop a passing game?
Posted on 11/11/14 at 8:01 pm to lsu2006
Posted on 11/11/14 at 8:01 pm to lsu2006
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I can't believe you would even hint at the notion of our passing attack being "average" last year
I guess your right after I thought about it. 6th out of 14 teams really is above the average
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Posted on 11/11/14 at 8:02 pm to boxcar willie
You're helpless.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 8:03 pm to lsu2006
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Our passing game (or our offense) still wasn't "average"
based on what? The talent it produced? what? WE had some great talent who made spectacular individual efforts but the total offense production wasn't especially spectacular. It was very slightly above average with exceptionally above average talent. 7th out of 14 teams in total offense could be seen as average depending on how you slice 7/8
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 11/11/14 at 8:06 pm to lsu2006
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You're helpless.
well your hopeless. My hope is to see this LSU team maximize it's potential. Do you think that is happening?
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 11/11/14 at 8:11 pm to boxcar willie
I'm not going to seriously have this argument with you or anyone. Anyone with eyes and a vague understanding that your ranking in "Total Offense" among SEC teams doesn't fully tell the story of an offense's success could tell you our offense was anywhere from very good to spectacular last year. End of discussion. Your opinion is fricking stupid.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 8:11 pm to boxcar willie
our qb recruiting has not been bad, the hands-on coaching, TEACHING, and thus, development has been poor.
the philosophy does have a lot to do with it. we can be a physically dominant run-oriented team, but that does not mean we have to limit and relegate ourselves to running almost exclusively out of a max protect I with a fullback and two tight ends with one receiver running a fly or a drag.
the design of the passing game is about as basic as the offense i played in as a 7th grader and i am not joking.
do we have the pieces to be throwing it around like 2013? no. no mettenberger or two stud receivers. but to willingly handcuff ourselves every game is just hindering the team's chances. the tight ends said at media day that they had barely practiced catching because 'all we have been doing is blocking.'
i do like that we seem to be letting jennings throw on the move. i think it seems to be a comfort zone for him. hope things click and we improve, hope that passing game does develop. 2013 outlier aside, history says it probably won't.
one area that has come a ways since august is the offensive line and the running game has followed suit. if we had THE WANT to be a little more diverse and play to our players strengths, i believe the passing game could take a step forward. i also believe harris is the future and only time will tell if he gets a proper chance.
the philosophy does have a lot to do with it. we can be a physically dominant run-oriented team, but that does not mean we have to limit and relegate ourselves to running almost exclusively out of a max protect I with a fullback and two tight ends with one receiver running a fly or a drag.
the design of the passing game is about as basic as the offense i played in as a 7th grader and i am not joking.
do we have the pieces to be throwing it around like 2013? no. no mettenberger or two stud receivers. but to willingly handcuff ourselves every game is just hindering the team's chances. the tight ends said at media day that they had barely practiced catching because 'all we have been doing is blocking.'
i do like that we seem to be letting jennings throw on the move. i think it seems to be a comfort zone for him. hope things click and we improve, hope that passing game does develop. 2013 outlier aside, history says it probably won't.
one area that has come a ways since august is the offensive line and the running game has followed suit. if we had THE WANT to be a little more diverse and play to our players strengths, i believe the passing game could take a step forward. i also believe harris is the future and only time will tell if he gets a proper chance.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 8:12 pm to boxcar willie
The question should be, What Quarterback has Miles recruited out of High School that produced for LSU. : 
Posted on 11/11/14 at 8:14 pm to lsu2006
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Your opinion is fricking stupid.
well your opinion is even more fricking stupid. Just because we had great individual talent making spectacular highlight reel plays doesn't mean we had a high octane offense. It was quite pedestrian in fact.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 8:15 pm to S
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if we had THE WANT to be a little more diverse and play to our players strengths, i believe the passing game could take a step forward. i also believe harris is the future and only time will tell if he gets a proper chance.
Also if the drops on crucial downs were eliminated. This kills the staff's confidence in the pass.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 8:16 pm to boxcar willie
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It was quite pedestrian in fact.
Holy frick. I'm done with this thread.
Don't forget to wipe the drool off your keyboard before you sign out.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 8:19 pm to KajunGun
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The question should be, What Quarterback has Miles recruited out of High School that produced for LSU. :
no it isn't. The question is 'why is it so difficult for LSU to develop a passing game.' Read some of mine and especially 'el sid's ' posts above.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 8:21 pm to tjohn deaux
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Also if the drops on crucial downs were eliminated. This kills the staff's confidence in the pass.
it's a self fulfilling cycle
Posted on 11/11/14 at 8:21 pm to lsu2006
if only the good old 'link to sign out' wasn't grounds for teh ban 
Posted on 11/11/14 at 8:21 pm to lsu2006
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Holy frick. I'm done with this thread.
good riddance, don't let the door hit you on the way out
Posted on 11/11/14 at 8:34 pm to boxcar willie
Boxcarwillie I am in total agreement with all you have said. We will never get over the hump and consistently beat most of these top ten teams that beat us until we develop a good passing scheme to go along with our always good running game.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:09 pm to livinintextiger
Because with the exception of last year since 2008 les miles has refused to throw over the middle of the field. That's 1/3 of the field the defense essentially doesn't have to defend. It also appears to me the general philosophy is to give the qb one read and if it's not there take off.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:11 pm to boxcar willie
When a head coach is afraid of the forward pass his quarterbacks will stink at passing.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:11 pm to boxcar willie
You are frickin retarded man along with all these others who keep spewing things they know nothing about. Cam Cameron runs a pro style offense where the QB's have to make pro style reads.
Guess what? The same goes for the receivers. They are responsible for having to make presnap sight adjustments just as the quarterback has to. These things take time to develop. We have a sophomore QB, 2 true freshman, a sophomore & red shirt sophomore at WR. It takes time for both QBs & WRs to absorb the mental aspects as well as the comfort to go out & physically apply that knowledge.
It's obvious the coaching staff understands this & went the heavy run oriented play calling to mask the inexperience of our skill position players this season. The coaches are doing what's best for the time being, to put the players in the best position to win. It just sucked that it took a few games for offensive line & defense to gel before they got to where they are now.
Last season the team had an experienced capable senior QB in Mett & two talented but really bright receivers in Landry & Beckham. The coaches took advantage of what they had there all the while not abandoning the ground game. It just sucked that the most balanced offense the Tigers had in a really long time, came when they had a defense that was below what most expect.
Then to everyone throwing Anthony Jennings under the bus, they need to realize that even after 2 years in the system, he hasn't completely gotten a grasp of it. Yet these same people expect a true freshman quarterback to truly have a grasp of the offense already? For as talented as Harris is, what good is that talent on the field if he may only have 40-50% of the knowledge to run the offense effectively? Everyone bitching & complaining about getting Harris in games would be the first ones bitching & complaining if he were to get injured on a botched handoff. Hell, many are bitching saying that Harris start against Auburn was "sabotaged". Give Harris a chance to learn the mental aspect of the offense first. Once he does that, his talent will take him the rest of the way & earn him the starting job.
Guess what? The same goes for the receivers. They are responsible for having to make presnap sight adjustments just as the quarterback has to. These things take time to develop. We have a sophomore QB, 2 true freshman, a sophomore & red shirt sophomore at WR. It takes time for both QBs & WRs to absorb the mental aspects as well as the comfort to go out & physically apply that knowledge.
It's obvious the coaching staff understands this & went the heavy run oriented play calling to mask the inexperience of our skill position players this season. The coaches are doing what's best for the time being, to put the players in the best position to win. It just sucked that it took a few games for offensive line & defense to gel before they got to where they are now.
Last season the team had an experienced capable senior QB in Mett & two talented but really bright receivers in Landry & Beckham. The coaches took advantage of what they had there all the while not abandoning the ground game. It just sucked that the most balanced offense the Tigers had in a really long time, came when they had a defense that was below what most expect.
Then to everyone throwing Anthony Jennings under the bus, they need to realize that even after 2 years in the system, he hasn't completely gotten a grasp of it. Yet these same people expect a true freshman quarterback to truly have a grasp of the offense already? For as talented as Harris is, what good is that talent on the field if he may only have 40-50% of the knowledge to run the offense effectively? Everyone bitching & complaining about getting Harris in games would be the first ones bitching & complaining if he were to get injured on a botched handoff. Hell, many are bitching saying that Harris start against Auburn was "sabotaged". Give Harris a chance to learn the mental aspect of the offense first. Once he does that, his talent will take him the rest of the way & earn him the starting job.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:13 pm to MFV
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Because with the exception of last year since 2008 les miles has refused to throw over the middle of the field.
That is oh so correct. Miles and Cameron believe that the sideline routes have less chance of interception, so we go there almost always.
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