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re: No Vacation Nation
Posted on 11/9/14 at 12:14 pm to Blue Velvet
Posted on 11/9/14 at 12:14 pm to Blue Velvet
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Doesn't really matter. I want people to lead a cultural change, not government force, every single time.
so how do we do this? I'd like for it to happen in my lifetime, so how?
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Posted on 11/9/14 at 12:16 pm to Tiguar
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Go ask for 4 weeks of paid vacation for being a garbage man from a non-government entity and let me know how that goes
Again, I know people in the public sector that negotiated more time off. It can be done.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 12:18 pm to Meauxjeaux
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What is a social sustainability manager?
That's the guy who wipes your rear, blows your nose for you, and pats you on the head.
Anybody who depends on this sort of group think, needs to realize it can just as easily be taken away by the same people who thought up "social sustainability".
Posted on 11/9/14 at 1:02 pm to redandright
I'm pretty lucky at my job.
I'm at 4 weeks vacation now.
When I first started, I only had two week, but each year I got an additional day. Since I've been with my company nine years I now get 20 days. I think I end up maxing out at 25.
The company also shuts down around Christmas for a week and a half which takes any sort of vacation stigma out of the equation.
It has really kept me on board when oil and gas companies have come calling. I took a week off in the summer to go to Disney. Will take a week for thanksgiving and go to great wolf lodge part of the week. And then two weeks off for Christmas and New Years.
Also been able to take a day here and there to go camping with my son in scouts and got to Baton Rouge to get an early start to a gameday weekend.
I'm at 4 weeks vacation now.
When I first started, I only had two week, but each year I got an additional day. Since I've been with my company nine years I now get 20 days. I think I end up maxing out at 25.
The company also shuts down around Christmas for a week and a half which takes any sort of vacation stigma out of the equation.
It has really kept me on board when oil and gas companies have come calling. I took a week off in the summer to go to Disney. Will take a week for thanksgiving and go to great wolf lodge part of the week. And then two weeks off for Christmas and New Years.
Also been able to take a day here and there to go camping with my son in scouts and got to Baton Rouge to get an early start to a gameday weekend.
This post was edited on 11/9/14 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 11/9/14 at 1:06 pm to asurob1
Vacation is for fricking wimps. Real Americans work 80 hrs/week, never see their children, never retire, and then die.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 1:15 pm to Tiguar
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Go ask for 4 weeks of paid vacation for being a garbage man from a non-government entity and let me know how that goes
Sorry. I don't know what you mean at all. Can you come again?
Posted on 11/9/14 at 1:18 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Vacation is for fricking wimps. Real Americans work 80 hrs/week, never see their children, never retire, and then die.
If that's your choice. Go for it. In a free market everything is negotiable. But then, you don't like free markets. You want govt. control. More laws. More restrictions.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 1:19 pm to Zach
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Go ask for 4 weeks of paid vacation for being a garbage man from a non-government entity and let me know how that goes
Posted on 11/9/14 at 1:24 pm to asurob1
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social sustainability manager
Exactly WTF is this?
Posted on 11/9/14 at 1:24 pm to Tiguar
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so how do we do this? I'd like for it to happen in my lifetime, so how?
In the market, it will be where skilled/educated workers are in scarce supply and the economy is humming. Companies will compete for the best workers by offering benefits, and it will have a dynamic effect throughout the workforce. It's happening now with workers/managers who are in high demand.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 1:26 pm to Tiguar
Got it. You're a tard.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 1:33 pm to asurob1
I'd like a few more vacation days to visit family out of town. Relax a bit.
If I change jobs in the future, I'll remember to negotiate more vacation days.
If I change jobs in the future, I'll remember to negotiate more vacation days.
This post was edited on 11/9/14 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 11/9/14 at 1:34 pm to Zach
You seem to be the one who cannot understand a basic concept, not me 
Posted on 11/9/14 at 1:34 pm to RogerTheShrubber
so you agree with me that only a select few individuals are able to enjoy negotiating power in order to get more time off?
Posted on 11/9/14 at 1:38 pm to Tiguar
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so you agree with me that only a select few individuals are able to enjoy negotiating power in order to get more time off?
Select few? No, I disagree. If you have a desirable skill you should be able to negotiate time off.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 1:39 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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In the market, it will be where skilled/educated workers are in scarce supply and the economy is humming. Companies will compete for the best workers by offering benefits, and it will have a dynamic effect throughout the workforce. It's happening now with workers/managers who are in high demand.
I think what you're overlooking is the culture...you may have 4-5 weeks paid vacation, but most U.S. workers are very unlikely to take all of it because of the stigma. Or take some vacation and actually work the entire time via email. I'd love to take all my vacay in one shot. Spend a month in Europe, but I would feel really weird doing it and I know if I did eyebrows would be raised. That's the American workplace these days. It's not a matter of having vacation, it's a matter of actually using it.
This post was edited on 11/9/14 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 11/9/14 at 1:39 pm to SpidermanTUba
quote:This isn't reality, and you don't understand the labor market.
Real Americans work 80 hrs/week, never see their children, never retire, and then die.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 1:41 pm to asurob1
I had a job early in my career where the CEO preached that if you wanted to be away from your job for a couple of weeks, he didn't need you. Little bastard always took two weeks for himself.
Choice is a powerful thing. I moved on to an org with a decent salary, decent benefits and retirement, and yes, decent vacation with the amount of vacation days being dependent upon seniority.
That said, there does need to be a balance in things, but all work and no play can make for a burnt out person. Burn out is very hard to come back from.
Choice is a powerful thing. I moved on to an org with a decent salary, decent benefits and retirement, and yes, decent vacation with the amount of vacation days being dependent upon seniority.
That said, there does need to be a balance in things, but all work and no play can make for a burnt out person. Burn out is very hard to come back from.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 1:42 pm to RogerTheShrubber
not if a lot of people have desirable skills.
markets fluctuate, pharmacy is a good example of this.
highly educated people with a lot of school are currently having trouble finding good jobs and negotiating circumstances; this is a flip from 10 years ago due to the influx of pharmacy schools recently.
if pharmacists dont want to deal with the shite cvs/rite aid will agree to, they find another pharmacist who will- and this leaves out the countless jobs for people who do not have defining skills.
We've left it up to market forces so far and it hasn't really worked out as well as it has in other countries, is all I'm saying. we may be more free here but has it really improved QoL? questions that need to be asked and answered honestly.
you can argue that those other countries are able to do it because they dont have to support a massive, global military like we do but that only attacks the viability of the option, not the actual merit therein.
markets fluctuate, pharmacy is a good example of this.
highly educated people with a lot of school are currently having trouble finding good jobs and negotiating circumstances; this is a flip from 10 years ago due to the influx of pharmacy schools recently.
if pharmacists dont want to deal with the shite cvs/rite aid will agree to, they find another pharmacist who will- and this leaves out the countless jobs for people who do not have defining skills.
We've left it up to market forces so far and it hasn't really worked out as well as it has in other countries, is all I'm saying. we may be more free here but has it really improved QoL? questions that need to be asked and answered honestly.
you can argue that those other countries are able to do it because they dont have to support a massive, global military like we do but that only attacks the viability of the option, not the actual merit therein.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 1:51 pm to Tiguar
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is all I'm saying. we may be more free here but has it really improved QoL?
This is extremely subjective.
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