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re: Let's hear from those complaining about the Miles "offensive philosophy"
Posted on 10/27/14 at 12:37 am to AlwysATgr
Posted on 10/27/14 at 12:37 am to AlwysATgr
I don't think many, myself included expected to go into this season and win a championship. Maybe that's foolish of me or not expecting enough but with the qb, wr, and interior defensive line ?'s we had coming in, I would have put us between 8-4 and 10-2 with 11-1 being my most optimistic.
What I thought was going to be our biggest strength that took longer than most of us expected to develop was our offensive line. I thought we would continue to be a great power running team with the experience we had coming back at o-line and rb.
Now I was not expecting the utter humiliation that we received against ms state and especially auburn, but I did think the youth and inexperience would be tough to overcome.
I know our O isn't defined by a single drive or game but we have shown in every game with the exception of the Ms State game that we can line up and run on anyone. Even in the Auburn game we ran the ball very well on first down, then shot ourselves in the foot often on second and couldn't complete a pass to save our lives.
I think last year's offense is what we aim for every year. The balance we showed is what I think Les Miles wants to have. This year it just isn't there. But our guys are getting game experience and will come back next year and the year after and be a damn strong football team.
I like the way our program is built. Every year we are in the hunt, but some years we will be in a rebuilding phase. I think this year is a bit uncharacteristic with the strength of the west. Playing the same schedule against these schools last year teams, and I think we would be looking at at worst 7-1 right now with the lone loss maybe coming to Auburn. But those teams are stronger this year.
Bottom line is that for the last 14 years, we have played in the Nat'l championship every 4 years and were in the hunt for several others. I don't think any program in the country would decline a trip to the Title every four years. And most of that has been with a similar offensive style that we see now.
Just my two cents. Take it or leave it.
What I thought was going to be our biggest strength that took longer than most of us expected to develop was our offensive line. I thought we would continue to be a great power running team with the experience we had coming back at o-line and rb.
Now I was not expecting the utter humiliation that we received against ms state and especially auburn, but I did think the youth and inexperience would be tough to overcome.
I know our O isn't defined by a single drive or game but we have shown in every game with the exception of the Ms State game that we can line up and run on anyone. Even in the Auburn game we ran the ball very well on first down, then shot ourselves in the foot often on second and couldn't complete a pass to save our lives.
I think last year's offense is what we aim for every year. The balance we showed is what I think Les Miles wants to have. This year it just isn't there. But our guys are getting game experience and will come back next year and the year after and be a damn strong football team.
I like the way our program is built. Every year we are in the hunt, but some years we will be in a rebuilding phase. I think this year is a bit uncharacteristic with the strength of the west. Playing the same schedule against these schools last year teams, and I think we would be looking at at worst 7-1 right now with the lone loss maybe coming to Auburn. But those teams are stronger this year.
Bottom line is that for the last 14 years, we have played in the Nat'l championship every 4 years and were in the hunt for several others. I don't think any program in the country would decline a trip to the Title every four years. And most of that has been with a similar offensive style that we see now.
Just my two cents. Take it or leave it.
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:27 am to jbrau22
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I don't think any program in the country would decline a trip to the Title every four years. And most of that has been with a similar offensive style that we see now.
No desire to be argumentative or critical of my fellow Tiger fans. Flaws and all they're the best in the world.
Les's approach on O fundamentally shifted sometime after the UF loss in '06 and reverted back after the int fest in '08. Regarding the first part, that was either something Les or Jimbo said (don't recall specifics and would take time to research). Regarding the second part, I think Hanigriff, Gordy, Risher agree with this view (IOW, not just me that thinks this).
So there isn't a single approach that transcends the past 12 years.
Indeed, IMO, we don't win anything in '07 with the approach we're using now. And in '06, even with all that talent, we score 3 vs Auburn and 10 vs UF. In '12, we score 6 at UF and 17 vs Bama.
Point being the ultra-conservative approach has cost us. I don't really buy the "youth and inexperience" argument but let's assume that's really the case. What did the "age and experience" get us the last two years? 10-3 with trips to the Chick-fil-A and Outback bowls.
Les needs to put the ghosts of '08 behind him and stop being ultra-conservative. It's ok to throw over the middle of the field and to the TE. Not as some happening type thing but just another routine part of the O. Soph QB's can make these throws.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:45 am to AirborneJonnyA
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No one could really foresee this team turning it around and playing as hard as they do.
Yes we did. Go and read some of the threads over the last three weeks. There were the few that knew all it took was a few personnel changes, and player experience.
There were also plenty of stupid people that thought we'd never improve or improve enough, and just wallowed in 4-8 and 5-7 talk.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 2:37 am to jbrau22
But he messes with quarterbacks and doesn't allow them to make mistakes, lol
Posted on 10/27/14 at 2:46 am to AlwysATgr
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Les needs to put the ghosts of '08 behind him and stop being ultra-conservative. It's ok to throw over the middle of the field and to the TE. Not as some happening type thing but just another routine part of the O. Soph QB's can make these throws.
Jennings was allowed to throw. Unfortunately 8 passes weren't completions and 2 were interceptions. Most of the better throws were toward the middle of the field. I can't think of many running plays that shouldn't have been running plays.
He's been coming along though. He either won't throw those sideline passes that are well-covered or he'll learn to throw them so they can't be intercepted.
He's throwing for more yards every week and becoming more efficient. It might have been nice to have brought Lee along at the same pace, because what we did with him didn't work out so great.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 3:13 am to NorthTiger
It worked this week. I am glad it did. You can't honestly say that it will work every week. Also, our defense has been lights out that past two weeks.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 5:53 am to NorthTiger
checking in. I admit I criticized the offensive philosphy and Coach Miles' decisions.
It was a great victory for the coach, the team and the fans. I always hope they win em all no matter what.
still think that Miles has little faith in the forward pass and that given the resources provided to him at LSU, it is surprising that he doesn't have a QB on the roster that can pass better than what currently is on the team.
still don't like all of the play calling and still think that he should have started Fournette from day 1. probably had reasons fans are not privy to
with the running backs they have committed to coming in next year, they might not need to ever throw another pass.
It was a great victory for the coach, the team and the fans. I always hope they win em all no matter what.
still think that Miles has little faith in the forward pass and that given the resources provided to him at LSU, it is surprising that he doesn't have a QB on the roster that can pass better than what currently is on the team.
still don't like all of the play calling and still think that he should have started Fournette from day 1. probably had reasons fans are not privy to
with the running backs they have committed to coming in next year, they might not need to ever throw another pass.
This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 5:54 am
Posted on 10/27/14 at 7:23 am to Hooligan's Ghost
The problem with being one dimensional is you don't get the same matchup week after week. Ole Miss' strength is its secondary. So our run game is perfect based on their smaller size DL and our OL, which had best game of year.
To win a NC, you have to be able to expose matchups of opponents.
BAMA - we will have to throw the ball. (50-50)
ATM - run run run run run run (80-20)
Arky - (65-35)
I don't think we can beat BAMA and will struggle with Arky with OM gameplan.
To win a NC, you have to be able to expose matchups of opponents.
BAMA - we will have to throw the ball. (50-50)
ATM - run run run run run run (80-20)
Arky - (65-35)
I don't think we can beat BAMA and will struggle with Arky with OM gameplan.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 7:29 am to tenderfoot tigah
quote:God, I don't know what to tell you people. What about the offense and flipping field position.
We won in spite of the offense not because of the offense
Do you really think Chavis is as aggressive if we cant keep fighting off bad field position, making first downs, controlling the clock? Really
Some of you all need a reality check or a football 101 class
Posted on 10/27/14 at 7:30 am to ItNeverRains
should we throw it more like 32 times instead of 18?
Posted on 10/27/14 at 7:59 am to bfniii
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negas don't see the whole picture. they
Whole picture? I don't know what picture they are looking at cause how anyone can look at our last 2 yrs. and come up with a Miles wants to run 75% when we were probably 60-40 run just last yr. is beyond me.
This yr., how anyone can look at the results from our green QBs and think they should be throwing much more is equally beyond me.
In conference play our 2 guys have 5 TDs, 4 ints., and a combined passing eff. of bout 115.
Seems going with the run more this yr. is the smart play, but each to our own.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 8:02 am to Lonnie4LSU
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This yr., how anyone can look at the results from our green QBs and think they should be throwing much more is equally beyond me.
Exactly. Its not that we don't want to, we can't. We threw for equal yardage as Ole Miss last night on 14 fewer passes. Those 14 plays were runs that averaged over 5 yards, and consumed an additional 7 minutes of clock.
This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 8:03 am
Posted on 10/27/14 at 8:10 am to arcalades
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predictable attitude. Nobody said throw 40 times. We need balance. Not 75% running and not 75% passing. We don't have balance, and there is no excuse for it. it's all on Miles.
I take it you beleive Gus M. isn't very good and that Au team that ran 75% of the time to the n.c. game sucked too?
Posted on 10/27/14 at 8:12 am to NorthTiger
Enjoy the results and shut your mouth
Posted on 10/27/14 at 8:15 am to NorthTiger
so what happens when the opposing teams put 8 in the box?...i counted 6-7 all night, last time i checked o-line=5 plus two TE's =7, not too difficult, the numbers favored us to run early in the game, Ole Miss switched to a different 50 look in the 3rd qtr and stopped us for the whole qtr, i have no idea why they went back to it on the long drive but they did, thats why it worked....that and great blocking and hard running...But you are smoking some serious crack if you believe that you dont have to throw the ball to win games, and Jennings cant and will not do that on a consistent basis...
Posted on 10/27/14 at 8:25 am to AirborneJonnyA
quote:I could have sworn I read posts about fans needng to be patient, about this being a young and/or inexperienced team, about not writing this team off, about this team getting better with time.
No one could really foresee this team turning it around and playing as hard as they do.
Hell, I started thread and wrote some of those posts.
So, yeah, some people not only could foresee it, some people did foresee it, and some people even wrote posts about it.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 8:28 am to Stingray
It works fine when you can line up and maul a team. Ole Miss dline was undersized and it worked. Their stud dline RN wanted out, they ran right at up and then he moved to other side of line and then he came out.
Bama will try same approach at LSU, it will take more to win that game than it did Ole Miss because they won't shut down Cooper
Bama will try same approach at LSU, it will take more to win that game than it did Ole Miss because they won't shut down Cooper
Posted on 10/27/14 at 8:52 am to NorthTiger
When u donbt have good QB play this is a good strategy. His philosphy is winning. The man can win without great QB play. Would be nice if a couple of high school coaches in LA could develop a QB sometime. Make the man's job a little easier, u know that winning part.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:02 am to AirborneJonnyA
l fully expected LSU to have a great second half of this season I was just a little just a little bit wrong on the first half !
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:05 am to tigerfoot
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should we throw it more like 32 times instead of 18?
Depends on the matchup.
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