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re: Do you believe that the United States was founded as a Christian Nation?

Posted on 9/16/14 at 12:13 pm to
Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
6879 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 12:13 pm to
quote:

plain text of the establishment clause.


Where do you think the establishment clause came from? It wasn't in the Constitution. And the intent was not to endorse a certain denomination of Faith over another, since ALL of the signers belong to different denominations
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
116401 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 1:17 pm to
I wonder if I can find quotes too...

quote:

United States Treaty (1796-1797)

"[T]he government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;"


quote:

John Adams (1735-1826)

"Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind."


quote:

John Adams (1735-1826)

"The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses."


quote:

James Madison (1751-1836)

"It was the Universal opinion of the Century preceding the last, that Civil Govt. could not stand without the prop of a Religious establishment; & that the Xn. [Christian] religion itself, would perish if not supported by the legal provision for its Clergy. The experience of Virginia conspiciously corroboates the disproof of both opinions. The Civil Govt. tho' bereft of everything like an associatd hierarchy possesses the requisite stability and performs its functions with complete success; Whilst the number, the industry, and the morality of the Priesthood, & the devotion of the people have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the Church from the State."


quote:

James Madison (1751-1836)

"And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together."


quote:

James Madison (1751-1836)

"[T]he appropriation of funds of the United States for the use and support of religious societies, [is] contrary to the article of the Constitution which declares that ‘Congress shall make no law respecting a religious establishment.’"


quote:

Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)

"I contemplate with soveriegn reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between church and State."


Need I go on?

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