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Best Colleges - once more
Posted on 9/8/14 at 11:58 pm
Posted on 9/8/14 at 11:58 pm
New Rankings...and Georgia is 1st!
LINK
Nah...
The real Top 25
4 Pac-12 schools
3 ACC schools (ND is officially ACC in sports)
1 SEC school
1 Big10 school
1. Princeton
2. Harvard
3. Yale
4. Stanford
5. Columbia
6. Chicago
7. MIT
8. Duke
9. Penn
10. Cal-Tech
11. Dartmouth
12. John Hopkins
13. Northwestern
15. Washington U
16. Cornell
17. Brown
18. Notre Dame
18. Vandy
19. Rice
18. Cal
19. Emory
21. Georgetown
22. UCLA
23 *tied. Virginia
23. Carnigie Melon
25. Southern California
Pac-12 still kicking arse...Vandy, still carrying the entire load of a conference.
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Nah...
The real Top 25
4 Pac-12 schools
3 ACC schools (ND is officially ACC in sports)
1 SEC school
1 Big10 school
1. Princeton
2. Harvard
3. Yale
4. Stanford
5. Columbia
6. Chicago
7. MIT
8. Duke
9. Penn
10. Cal-Tech
11. Dartmouth
12. John Hopkins
13. Northwestern
15. Washington U
16. Cornell
17. Brown
18. Notre Dame
18. Vandy
19. Rice
18. Cal
19. Emory
21. Georgetown
22. UCLA
23 *tied. Virginia
23. Carnigie Melon
25. Southern California
Pac-12 still kicking arse...Vandy, still carrying the entire load of a conference.
This post was edited on 9/8/14 at 11:59 pm
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:21 am to Zamoro10
You know the US News methodology for these rankings is a bunch of bullshite, right?
Posted on 9/9/14 at 1:52 am to Golfer
Criteria: 22.5 % undergrad reputation
22.5% retention
12.5% selectivity
20% faculty resources
10% financial resources
7.5% graduation rate
5% alumni giving
Not science by a long shot.
22.5% retention
12.5% selectivity
20% faculty resources
10% financial resources
7.5% graduation rate
5% alumni giving
Not science by a long shot.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 6:21 am to LaFlyer
quote:
7.5% graduation rate
quote:
22.5% retention
Complete BS. It assumes 100% is optimal. If I see a school with 100% (or even high 90s), that tells me the school is a diploma factory.
quote:
5% alumni giving
Should be given more weight IMO. It's a good measure of the value alumni feel they received for their education. If you don't even feel they're worth $25 or $50 a year in donations, that says you don't think they're worthwhile. Only thing I'd change is giving recent alumni more weight than old alumni, so you don't have this metric dominated by what the school was like decades ago.
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22.5 % undergrad reputation
Shouldn't be a factor at all. Purely subjective, and it's an evaluation of the brand name instead of the quality of education.
Should add in faculty to student ratio and percentage of classes taught by PhDs.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 7:28 am to Bestbank Tiger
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5% alumni giving
quote:
Should be given more weight IMO.
I agree. That has to be the #1 factor for a university's future success. That's why LSU has me nervous. It has the second smallest endowment for a national research university in the US.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 7:36 am to Zamoro10
quote:
Vandy, still carrying the entire load of a conference.
well i mean the "top 25" (whatever that means) just barely doesn't include UF or UGA, who are 2 top public schools
plus these rankings are basically established in groupthink and self-serving perception biases. if we want to continue the CFB metaphor, it is impossible for a "Boise State" to emerge. hell it's impossible for an Auburn to emerge
and things like endowments, grants, and hell, even academic professor "stars" that teach at particular universities really do not have an impact on the undergraduate population that these lists are marketed towards. however, since the perceived "top" universities had these variables when the methodology was developed, they weigh greatly in the methodology.
and yes, i am one of those kids who could have gone ivy but didn't, and yes, i have much criticism to throw at LSU
Posted on 9/9/14 at 7:39 am to LSUTigersVCURams
i think the endowment wars for non-privates (especially the established "elite") are a dick-measuring bubble
the war basically mimics the terrible race to the bottom in terms of ripping off US taxpayers via government loans (which includes inc costs)
the war basically mimics the terrible race to the bottom in terms of ripping off US taxpayers via government loans (which includes inc costs)
Posted on 9/9/14 at 7:53 am to SlowFlowPro
I agree that LSU is never going to be Stanford (or even Ohio State) but still, an endowment is important for the continuing competitiveness of a University. I mean, should public schools just shutter up because they're not the Ivy League? Of course not. LSU is putting itself in jeopardy of not being around in its current form in 100 years because of its frankly embarrassing endowment, especially considering how little it gets from the State.
Very, very true.
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ripping off US taxpayers via government loans (which includes inc costs)
Very, very true.
This post was edited on 9/9/14 at 7:54 am
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:08 am to LSUTigersVCURams
LSU's problem isn't it's endowment, it's the political landscape of a poor state with shitty student population and a lot of corruption
our public university systems are a joke in LA
our public university systems are a joke in LA
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:14 am to Bestbank Tiger
quote:Unless it equates to jobs, employment-pay, grad school admission . . . which categories BTW should be the largest deciding criterion.
22.5 % undergrad reputation
Shouldn't be a factor at all. Purely subjective, and it's an evaluation of the brand name instead of the quality of education.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:51 am to Bestbank Tiger
quote:All good schools have high 90+% rates. Good students graduate.
If I see a school with 100% (or even high 90s), that tells me the school is a diploma factory.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:51 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:well said
these rankings are basically established in groupthink and self-serving perception biases.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 10:24 am to Zamoro10
quote:Back in the day, I won a mail correspondence scholarship to Cornell from a promotion sponsored by Shell No-Pest Strips.... just sayin'
16. Cornell
And yes - it had the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval
This post was edited on 9/9/14 at 10:27 am
Posted on 9/9/14 at 10:33 am to Zamoro10
Wrong list my friend
LINK
#1) Harvey Mudd College
#1) Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
#3) Franklin W. Olin College of Engineering
#3) United States Military Academy
#5) United States Air Force Academy
#6) United States Naval Academy
#7) California Polytechnic State University—?San Luis Obispo
#8) Bucknell University
#8) Cooper Union
#8) Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University
Fightin' Engineers #1 for 15 years in a row
quote:
These undergrad engineering programs were ranked solely on a peer assessment survey conducted in spring 2014. To appear on an undergraduate engineering survey, a school must have an undergraduate engineering program accredited by ABET. The programs below are schools whose highest engineering degree offered is a bachelor's or master's.
LINK
#1) Harvey Mudd College
#1) Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
#3) Franklin W. Olin College of Engineering
#3) United States Military Academy
#5) United States Air Force Academy
#6) United States Naval Academy
#7) California Polytechnic State University—?San Luis Obispo
#8) Bucknell University
#8) Cooper Union
#8) Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University
Fightin' Engineers #1 for 15 years in a row
This post was edited on 9/9/14 at 10:35 am
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:17 am to Zamoro10
quote:
1. Princeton
Should be much lower due to them being a propaganda arm for the Turkish government.
quote:
Zamoro10
Seems that 3 threads on universities have backfired on you, and you've run away from all 3.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:21 am to TN Bhoy
quote:
Should be much lower due to them being a propaganda arm for the Turkish government.
Say what?
I know nothing about this. What is the issue? Armenian genocide?
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:28 am to AbuTheMonkey
quote:
I know nothing about this. What is the issue? Armenian genocide?
Yep.
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