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When will leagues start going with the 2 QB format?
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:40 am
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:40 am
Parity at the QB position has diminished the value of QBs in the fantasy game. As it stands now, teams wait and take QBs in the later rounds of the draft. Everyone gets a good one in 10-12 teams leagues. These QBs are big time scorers and have a huge impact of the game, yet they are treated like a TE when it comes to drafting. This is not the case for RBs and WRs, who are "valued" and go early and often and dominate the picks in the first few rounds of a draft. Why are RBs and WRs valued so much more? Well, obviously because you need to start at least 2 of them plus fill a flex. They are put at a premium.
In a 2 QB league, one is forced to grab one of the legit QBs early in order to solidify the position, much like the RB and WR positions. It brings more strategy into play as well. A guy like Tony Romo, who is consistently a top 10 QB, scoring 300+ points a season, is a 10th round pick in regular league? Does that sound right?
As we stand now, a lot of advanced leagues are going with the "Super Flex" position. Which is basically an extra flex where you can play RB/WR/TE/QB... some are even allowing you to play an extra K or DEF if you want. I think in order to keep the fantasy game fresh, we have to currently adapt to the NFL. It's a QB driven league, yet QBs aren't valued in fantasy. 2 QBs may sound weird now, but everyone said the same thing when people starting getting away from their 10 team, standard scoring leagues. People were reluctant to change to PPR or auction format or play in 14 team leagues... we may have to open up to this 2 QB system.
In a 2 QB league, one is forced to grab one of the legit QBs early in order to solidify the position, much like the RB and WR positions. It brings more strategy into play as well. A guy like Tony Romo, who is consistently a top 10 QB, scoring 300+ points a season, is a 10th round pick in regular league? Does that sound right?
As we stand now, a lot of advanced leagues are going with the "Super Flex" position. Which is basically an extra flex where you can play RB/WR/TE/QB... some are even allowing you to play an extra K or DEF if you want. I think in order to keep the fantasy game fresh, we have to currently adapt to the NFL. It's a QB driven league, yet QBs aren't valued in fantasy. 2 QBs may sound weird now, but everyone said the same thing when people starting getting away from their 10 team, standard scoring leagues. People were reluctant to change to PPR or auction format or play in 14 team leagues... we may have to open up to this 2 QB system.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:49 am to GynoSandberg
We have always had a 2 QB system in a PPC league (point per completion). It is fricking awesome is all I can say. Points flying all over. I will say, it would be tough for a league with over 10 teams however. We have 10 teams and cap it at 3 QB's per team (obviously). 12 team league x 2 qb's = 24 qb's. Only 8 qb's left for bench spot for injury/bye wk. It pretty much impossible over 10 teams. You are right, it does change the draft strategy completely. In the first two rounds (snake), I would say 8 qb's are taken.
Brees
Manning
Rodgers
Romo
Ryan
Stafford
Luck
Rivers
All in first 2-2.5 rds typically. Guys like Dalton, Ben, Cutler are very valuable as no.2's and that's where the advantage comes in as far as 2 QB system. Generally everyone will have stud at no.1 QB spot, so the no.2 is where you gain the advantage if you have a top 15 guy.
Brees
Manning
Rodgers
Romo
Ryan
Stafford
Luck
Rivers
All in first 2-2.5 rds typically. Guys like Dalton, Ben, Cutler are very valuable as no.2's and that's where the advantage comes in as far as 2 QB system. Generally everyone will have stud at no.1 QB spot, so the no.2 is where you gain the advantage if you have a top 15 guy.
This post was edited on 8/14/14 at 9:56 am
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:53 am to GynoSandberg
Start a new 14 team, PPR, Superflex, auction, keeper league.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:55 am to GynoSandberg
when I started in 1999 we rolled with 2 QB's.
None of my leagues do it now, but I wouldn't mind going back to it in at least one league.
I can see the point of it making QB's valuable again.
None of my leagues do it now, but I wouldn't mind going back to it in at least one league.
I can see the point of it making QB's valuable again.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:55 am to dnm3305
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12 team league x 2 qb's = 24 qb's. Only 8 qb's left for bench spot for injury/bye wk. It pretty much impossible over 10 teams.
True, but it's not an issue unless a 2nd QB is required. If they are a flex option, you could go any direction to fill the spot.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:56 am to GynoSandberg
quote:
True, but it's not an issue unless a 2nd QB is required. If they are a flex option, you could go any direction to fill the spot.
Ahhh, yea youre right. I was thinking in terms of ours where youre required to start 2. Our Starting lineups -
QB
QB
RB
RB
WR
WR
WR
Flex (RB/WR only)
TE
K
D
Bench - 9 guys.
This post was edited on 8/14/14 at 9:58 am
Posted on 8/14/14 at 10:04 am to GynoSandberg
quote:
True, but it's not an issue unless a 2nd QB is required. If they are a flex option, you could go any direction to fill the spot.
Yes it is. Even if you aren't required to start two qb's, no one in their right mind wouldn't start one in their flex if there was an option to do so. If you 2nd quarterback goes down, you're going to be working a big disadvantage.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 10:10 am to papz
My league is a PPR Super flex, but QB td's are 4 pts as opposed to 6.
It's a very fun league
It's a very fun league
Posted on 8/14/14 at 10:39 am to papz
quote:
Yes it is. Even if you aren't required to start two qb's, no one in their right mind wouldn't start one in their flex if there was an option to do so. If you 2nd quarterback goes down, you're going to be working a big disadvantage.
That's all part of putting the value back at the position. If a QB is hurt, that means there is always a backup QB thrown back into the mix. There are 32 QBs in the pool. How many "good" RBs are there? You start two. If one is hurt, the replacement usually sucks.
You have to make sure you at least have one of the top 10 guys as your QB1 to solidify the position.
quote:
but QB td's are 4 pts as opposed to 6.
this would be imperative i think
This post was edited on 8/14/14 at 10:42 am
Posted on 8/14/14 at 10:41 am to Jizzamo311
I can't argue with that. If you like points, it's definitely fun. I did once, maybe twice... just not my thing. I'd do it once in a while just to change things up, but I certainly wouldn't make it the standard.
With rb tandems becoming more prevalent and rb values dropping, what's next? PPC?
Want to increase the quarterbacks value, play in a standard. You'll see those quarterbacks come off the board much quicker.
With rb tandems becoming more prevalent and rb values dropping, what's next? PPC?
Want to increase the quarterbacks value, play in a standard. You'll see those quarterbacks come off the board much quicker.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 10:46 am to GynoSandberg
quote:
People were reluctant to change to PPR or auction format or play in 14 team leagues
We did auction leagues in the '80's.
Back to your point, I think this could be interesting. Start a new league with a superflex and I'm in.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 10:47 am to GynoSandberg
I have no interest in it. I think tdfl's settings are perfect.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 11:01 am to Vicks Kennel Club
One major complaint still from me, but it appears that will never change -- points for individual players on kick return TDs
Posted on 8/14/14 at 11:06 am to MrWiseGuy
quote:
One major complaint still from me, but it appears that will never change -- points for individual players on kick return TDs
im exhausted fighting for that. It truly is ridiculous
Posted on 8/14/14 at 11:09 am to GynoSandberg
I'm playing in a league that allows QB flex for the first time this year. It's my biggest money league. I'm excited about it. Don't really know what to expect for the draft but it definitely makes you consider different strategies.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 11:09 am to MrWiseGuy
I agree with you, but I don't really care that much on the issue. The biggest change would have given a bench wr 18 points last year.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 11:32 am to MrWiseGuy
I've always given points in my leagues for KR TDs
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