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re: The Greatest Baseball Player of the Modern Era
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:27 am to FightinTigersDammit
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:27 am to FightinTigersDammit
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FightinTigersDammit
Griffey played very few games in 5 seasons due to injury and the strike... give him a very conservative 30 HRs in each season for an additional 150 and that brings career total to 780. Also, assuming a very modest 100 hits per year... that would give him 3281 for his career. Go...
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:28 am to Hoyt
You have to wonder though if Griffey's injury riddled stint with the Reds that pretty much neutralized him from the game in the early 2000s will affect him when it comes to the HOF
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:28 am to tduecen
Im 37 and barry bonds is by far the best player ive ever witness play with my own eyes. The year they went to the ws, i saw him hit a hr off of greg maddux in the playoffs. Second coolest baseball moment of my life (i was at the jeter flip play in oakland).
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:30 am to Hoyt
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Hoyt
His career BA would still be way below Mays' and Willie would have a shitload of Gold Gloves, if the award had existed. Better arm that Griffey, too.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:30 am to goldennugget
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You have to wonder though if Griffey's injury riddled stint with the Reds that pretty much neutralized him from the game in the early 2000s will affect him when it comes to the HOF
No, he's still going to get in easily.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:31 am to goldennugget
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You have to wonder though if Griffey's injury riddled stint with the Reds that pretty much neutralized him from the game in the early 2000s will affect him when it comes to the HOF
It won't
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:32 am to rutiger
Bonds was just great, power, speed, defense... Literally there was nothing he couldn't do on the baseball field
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:32 am to tduecen
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Bonds was just great, power, speed, defense... Literally there was nothing he couldn't do on the baseball field
And yet he traded all that to become a fat unathletic slob who could hit homers.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:32 am to tduecen
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Bonds
Too bad he decided to cheat and tarnish his legacy
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:33 am to tduecen
Bonds had a weak arm. But that's about it.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:34 am to FightinTigersDammit
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His career BA would still be way below Mays
Mays hit .302... Griffey could have definitely gotten close to this anyway.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:35 am to tduecen
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Bonds was just great, power, speed, defense
Pre-steroids, I had Bonds and Griffey as 1 and 1A as the best in MLB at the time.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:36 am to goldennugget
Who hit .362 at 38 and stole double digit bases at 36
Of course you wouldn't know anyway based on your previous post
Of course you wouldn't know anyway based on your previous post
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:36 am to goldennugget
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And yet he traded all that to become a fat unathletic slob who could hit homers.
HRs > SBs
And he was getting older, too. He still stole double digit bases @ 37 years old.
Barry = GOAT Modern Era.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:37 am to Billy Mays
via deadspin:
—Bonds drew 688 intentional walks in his career. There are 49 Hall of Fame position players who drew fewer walks of any kind in their entire careers.
—If Bonds had retired after the 1998 season, he would have done so with 99.6 career rWAR. This would rank him No. 32 all-time.
—If Bonds had retired after his age-27 season rather than signing with the San Francisco Giants, he would have done so with 50.1 career rWAR, more than 42 Hall of Fame position players.
—Bonds had a career line of .393/.967/1.054 on 3-0 counts.
—Bonds was once intentionally walked with the bases loaded.
—Bonds was intentionally walked with the bases empty 41 times.
—In the 2002 postseason, Bonds hit .356/.581/.978 with eight home runs in 17 games.
—Between 2002 and 2004, Bonds hit 136 home runs and struck out 146 times.
—If you turned every home run Bonds ever hit into an out, his career on base percentage would be .384, the same as Alex Rodriguez's.
—Between 1990 and 2004, Bonds was never lower than third in OPS, and he was third only three times.
—Bonds stole 340 bases through age 30; Derek Jeter has stolen 355 in his career.
—Bonds reached base just 330 fewer times than all-time leader Pete Rose, in 3,284 fewer plate appearances.
—Bonds opened the 2004 season with a stretch in which he reached base 45 times in 64 plate appearances, with nine home runs and four strikeouts.
—Bonds's slugging percentage in 2001 was .863. If that were his OPS, it would have ranked 27th in the National League, just behind teammate and defending MVP Jeff Kent's .877 mark.
—From 2002 to 2007, the only seasons for which data is available, Bonds made contact with 90.5 percent of strikes he swung at, varying from a seasonal low of 89.2 percent to a high of 93.7 percent.
—Bonds made 85 fewer outs than Ken Griffey Jr. did in 1,302 more plate appearances.
—Bonds had four sacrifice hits in his career. (Ted Williams had five; Hank Aaron had 21.)
—Through age 26, Bonds had 10.8 defensive WAR, more than any other outfielder in major league history other than Andruw Jones through that age.
—Bonds hit .333/.488/.576 against Pedro Martínez in 43 plate appearances; only Luis Gonzalez (of all people) hit him better.
—Bonds hit Randy Johnson for a 1.003 OPS in 62 plate appearances; no other left-handed hitter with 50 PAs did better than .888, and left-handers overall hit .199/.278/.294.
—After the San Francisco Giants moved to what is now known as AT&T Park, Bonds slugged .753 there in 1996 plate appearances, which is what Mark McGwire did in 1998, the year he hit 70 home runs.
—From 2001 to 2004, Bonds's on base percentage was .559; that would have been the 11th-highest slugging average in the National League during this period.
—Bonds's career rWAR of 162.4 is higher than those of Pete Rose and Nolan Ryan combined.
—Bonds took the extra base—advancing more than one base on a single, or more than two on a double—43 percent of the time, more often than Ichiro Suzuki.
—In his career, after going to a 3-0 count Bonds hit 30 home runs and struck out 25 times.
—In his 16 recorded bunt attempts, Bonds laid down two for sacrifices and picked up eight hits on the others, for a .571 batting average.
—Bonds hit 227 career home runs just off left-handers—more than 91 Hall of Fame position players hit in total.
—If Bonds were to return to the major leagues tomorrow, he would have to make 1,412 straight outs to drop his on base percentage below .400.
—Bonds drew 688 intentional walks in his career. There are 49 Hall of Fame position players who drew fewer walks of any kind in their entire careers.
—If Bonds had retired after the 1998 season, he would have done so with 99.6 career rWAR. This would rank him No. 32 all-time.
—If Bonds had retired after his age-27 season rather than signing with the San Francisco Giants, he would have done so with 50.1 career rWAR, more than 42 Hall of Fame position players.
—Bonds had a career line of .393/.967/1.054 on 3-0 counts.
—Bonds was once intentionally walked with the bases loaded.
—Bonds was intentionally walked with the bases empty 41 times.
—In the 2002 postseason, Bonds hit .356/.581/.978 with eight home runs in 17 games.
—Between 2002 and 2004, Bonds hit 136 home runs and struck out 146 times.
—If you turned every home run Bonds ever hit into an out, his career on base percentage would be .384, the same as Alex Rodriguez's.
—Between 1990 and 2004, Bonds was never lower than third in OPS, and he was third only three times.
—Bonds stole 340 bases through age 30; Derek Jeter has stolen 355 in his career.
—Bonds reached base just 330 fewer times than all-time leader Pete Rose, in 3,284 fewer plate appearances.
—Bonds opened the 2004 season with a stretch in which he reached base 45 times in 64 plate appearances, with nine home runs and four strikeouts.
—Bonds's slugging percentage in 2001 was .863. If that were his OPS, it would have ranked 27th in the National League, just behind teammate and defending MVP Jeff Kent's .877 mark.
—From 2002 to 2007, the only seasons for which data is available, Bonds made contact with 90.5 percent of strikes he swung at, varying from a seasonal low of 89.2 percent to a high of 93.7 percent.
—Bonds made 85 fewer outs than Ken Griffey Jr. did in 1,302 more plate appearances.
—Bonds had four sacrifice hits in his career. (Ted Williams had five; Hank Aaron had 21.)
—Through age 26, Bonds had 10.8 defensive WAR, more than any other outfielder in major league history other than Andruw Jones through that age.
—Bonds hit .333/.488/.576 against Pedro Martínez in 43 plate appearances; only Luis Gonzalez (of all people) hit him better.
—Bonds hit Randy Johnson for a 1.003 OPS in 62 plate appearances; no other left-handed hitter with 50 PAs did better than .888, and left-handers overall hit .199/.278/.294.
—After the San Francisco Giants moved to what is now known as AT&T Park, Bonds slugged .753 there in 1996 plate appearances, which is what Mark McGwire did in 1998, the year he hit 70 home runs.
—From 2001 to 2004, Bonds's on base percentage was .559; that would have been the 11th-highest slugging average in the National League during this period.
—Bonds's career rWAR of 162.4 is higher than those of Pete Rose and Nolan Ryan combined.
—Bonds took the extra base—advancing more than one base on a single, or more than two on a double—43 percent of the time, more often than Ichiro Suzuki.
—In his career, after going to a 3-0 count Bonds hit 30 home runs and struck out 25 times.
—In his 16 recorded bunt attempts, Bonds laid down two for sacrifices and picked up eight hits on the others, for a .571 batting average.
—Bonds hit 227 career home runs just off left-handers—more than 91 Hall of Fame position players hit in total.
—If Bonds were to return to the major leagues tomorrow, he would have to make 1,412 straight outs to drop his on base percentage below .400.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:44 am to craigbiggio
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craigbiggio
Well, you can really frick up a thread
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:46 am to Hoyt
The Modern Era in baseball is from 1901-present.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:47 am to tduecen
I would love to see Babe Ruth play in today's baseball world.
When Ruth played they lobbed the ball to hit for god's sake.
So sick of people talking about how amazing Babe Ruth was. The dude played in a shite terrible league back then
When Ruth played they lobbed the ball to hit for god's sake.
So sick of people talking about how amazing Babe Ruth was. The dude played in a shite terrible league back then
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