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re: Will Blackwell bashing Les and LSU on Twitter
Posted on 7/25/14 at 8:37 am to LSUfan4444
Posted on 7/25/14 at 8:37 am to LSUfan4444
And he hasnt bashed the program when he has a legit gripe, he had nothing to do with the outcome of the game, blackwell played like shite and shouldnt cast stones.
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 8:38 am to VermilionTiger
Take away his letters.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 8:38 am to LSUfan4444
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Getting your arse whooped is one thing, but getting your arse whooped when you disagree with the philosophy is another.
Guess you didn't bother reading the rest of my post:
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but just for the sake of argument, I wonder how Saban, or his dream boat KK for that matter, would react to a bunch of his players "pleading" to change his gameplan??
Saban has proven that after an embarassing loss, he would go on national TV and blame those players for that loss by not "buying in" or being open to the "process".
Also, the players pouting about the gameplan and not believing in it could certainly contribute to the failure of that plan's execution, no? Somewhat of a self fulfilling prophecy.
I'd love to know how the game would have gone had those certain players actually had the respect to listen to their coach and gone onto the field and tried to execute the plan to the best of their abilities rather than pout.
Also important to note that the plan that they were allegedly so desperate to change is the exact plan that got us to 13-0 and our first undefeated SEC title in over 50 years against one of the most difficult schedules of all time.
I personally don't buy that the players didn't believe in the plan. It's revisionist history.
It's so much simpler than that. The plan, as it was all year, was to limit turnovers while our historic defense and special teams assaulted the other team's offense until they made mistakes and our powerful run game wore out their defense. Period.
The plan gave us the best and most domibant season in LSU football history. Easily.
So yeah, let's change it up
If there was some mysterious mental drag on the team leading to 1/9, again it is fairly obvious.
Aside from the disrespect of having to play a team they had already beaten, Tyrann Mathieu, who was the unquestionable spark plug of that amazing run, going back to the Cotton Bowl and PP7 hand picking him to wear #7 as the leader of the D leading to his explosion onto the national consciousness in the Oregon game, has openly said he was not himself going into The Rematch due to off field demons he was battling.
Mathieu's emotional absence trickled down to the entire team, and reports of the struggles of another team leader in Lee, simply led to a different, less ferocious team stepping onto the field on 1/9.
Combine that with the fact that we happened to be facing another historically great team that night, one that played exceptionally well, and that is how 21-0 happened.
And even with all of that, the game was 9-0 at halftime, and 15-0 in the 4th quarter.
Had the defense or special teams had that one huge momentum changing play, the way they had multiple times in EVERY SINGLE GAME of the season, the plan would have still been in position to work, EVEN IF the players didn't believe in it. Imagine if they had
So for all of those reasons, frick you Will Blackwell. I wish Miles had never saved and made your brief career by bringing you over to the OL.
Maybe then someone else, someone capable, would have given the plan a chance to succeed on 1/9, because it is clear from the film that you did not.
Care to respond?
This post was edited on 7/25/14 at 8:41 am
Posted on 7/25/14 at 8:41 am to dgnx6
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And he hasnt bashed the program
Thats exactly what I said.
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he had nothing to do with the outcome of the game
I never said he did, I said now this makes two people either on the offensive line or very close to the offensive line who have publicly, and angrily called out Les Miles for not having a contingency plan and both have said the coaching staff was begged by players to make changes in personnel and philosophy and those requests were denied.
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blackwell played like shite and shouldnt cast stones
Agreed.
None of that has anything to do with T-Bob not playing though.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 8:43 am to bherm1988
Why is this thread not anchored or whacked?
Some of you badasses need to find something else to do.
Geeees.
Some of you badasses need to find something else to do.
Geeees.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 8:44 am to Tiger Voodoo
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You are ASSUMING that they all feel the same. Why??
Because two have publicly said the same thing and I have heard it as well "off record". Do I know if they are mad, no. Am I assuming they are? Yes.
Most competitors would be. Obviously, people have handled their unhappiness in different manners throughout the years, but I'm pretty confident that nobody was happy with the outcome.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 8:49 am to VermilionTiger
Posted on 7/25/14 at 8:52 am to Tiger Voodoo
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Care to respond?
I disagree. Not sure what else there is to say.
My assessment is based from one conversation I personally had with someone saying the same thing that Blackwell said yesterday and what Bobby was eluding too after the game.
There was no plan B. None. Players asked about trying Lee, was ignored. Players asked about opening up the offense and spreading the field, was ignored.
You have your opinion, I have mine. I'm not trying to change your mind because it's futile.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 8:58 am to redfieldk717
Saban ball sucker! 
Posted on 7/25/14 at 9:02 am to 2007lsuno1
In a few months this thread could be very different with a couple losses.
Les is loved from jan-august and hated from sept-dec
Les is loved from jan-august and hated from sept-dec
Posted on 7/25/14 at 9:05 am to LSUfan4444
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this makes two people either on the offensive line or very close to the offensive line who have publicly, and angrily called out Les Miles
You mean the group that got there asses devoured all night?? No deflecting there going on at all huh?
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My assessment is based from one conversation I personally had with someone saying the same thing that Blackwell said yesterday and what Bobby was eluding too after the game.
So you have one conversation with someone, that was probably just regurgitating Bobby's drunken rant, and that is now fact??
What about the years of reports that Lee either COULDN'T play in the game, or DIDN'T WANT TO, due to personal reasons that he was dealing with??
And you still didn't respond to my post. What is all the talk about Plan B??? The plan worked to perfection all season long, and even into the 4th quarter, the plan could have worked with one big play from the D or ST like they had provided every game. It was 12-0 at the end of the third quarter.
Why ditch the plan that was so successful all season, NOT TURNING OVER THE BALL, to go to some "Plan B" that presumably would involve using a QB that threw 2 INTs on SEVEN attempts the last time he faced Alabama just two months prior, and had 1 TD and SEVEN INTs in his career against them???
At what point does that become the better option?? Would a QB that struggled so mightily against that team have had better success against that team that was eating our OL alive all night??
Would those players have magically started blocking better (not to mention for longer periods of time if Lee was wanted for his ability to throw deep) because Lee came in??
If so, it reaks of sabotage? Is that what Blackwell and your "source" are claiming?
This post was edited on 7/25/14 at 9:10 am
Posted on 7/25/14 at 9:14 am to josh336
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Posted by Message josh336 Will Blackwell bashing Les and LSU on Twitter In a few months this thread could be very different with a couple losses. Les is loved from jan-august and hated from sept-dec
I don't see how. We lost all of our offensive skill guys and both starting DTs. I don't think anyone expects this team to go undefeated with all the players that they need to replace. If you are expecting the same offensive production as last year, then I feel for you.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 9:22 am to LSUfan4444
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getting your arse whooped when you disagree with the philosophy is another.
What philosophy is going to matter when your OL gets owned and beat up and down the field? I got a news flash for you, offensive linemen don't get to pick the philosophy they want to run. They get to line up and beat the guy in front of them. You can blame the coaching, you can blame the QB, and you can blame the philosophy, but when you are a member of a OL that tanks it to the degree they did in that game you need to shut the frick up and take your beating like a man rather than lashing out like a D-bag.
Bobby got pissed because his son didn't get to play when the OL was being man handled. He has a point, but he is such a fricking emotional idiot that no one pays any attention to him other than emotional idiots just like him.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 9:28 am to Tiger Voodoo
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You mean the group that got there asses devoured all night?? No deflecting there going on at all huh?
Yes, the group that got handled. It is very reasonable to think that their performance was effected by their preparation, demeanor and attitude. All of which can be poor if you are unhappy or not in agreement with your leadership. Is it right, no. Should they have balled up and played all out, yeah, but they didn't.
For that, Blackwell and others should own it. Some have done a better job at it than others.
For some reason, you fail to acknowledge that possibility.
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So you have one conversation with someone, that was probably just regurgitating Bobby's drunken rant, and that is now fact??
It isn't fact and it wasn't with Bobby. I was not there so I cannot attest to what happened as fast, BUT I have now heard the same story now from three different people.
Thats why I am not trying to convince you.
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you still didn't respond to my post. What is all the talk about Plan B???
For I think is not probably the fourth time in this thread...there were players on the offensive side of the ball who did not agree with the offensive approach and personnel and voiced their displeasure during preparation. During the game their displeasure was voiced again. Each and every attempt to "do something different" was denied.
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Why ditch the plan that was so successful all season, NOT TURNING OVER THE BALL
You mean like they did against Alabama when they beat them in November?
The reason to change (just like they did in November) is because your opponent was prepared the game plan you implemented and they were out executing you on both sides. Your defense was doing enough to keep you in the game, but you had not moved the ball across the 50 at halftime, then you had 15 minutes to make some changes. The staff refused.
What they did against Arkansas, Ole Miss or Georgia wasn't as important as what you were doing against Alabama and what they were doing to you.
I am not saying that Miles should have made changes or that they would have made a difference, I am saying that is why Blackwell, Bobby and others are mad.
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At what point does that become the better option?? Would a QB that struggled so mightily against that team have had better success against that team that was eating our OL alive all night??
Never said it did.
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Would those players have magically started blocking better (not to mention for longer periods of time if Lee was wanted for his ability to throw deep) because Lee came in??
Don't know. I do know it has been scientifically proven that athletic performance is raised when you are not stressed and you prepare and play with a good attitude.
I am in no position to say how LSU would have played had Lee started the second half, but thats not the point.
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If so, it reaks of sabotage? Is that what Blackwell and your "source" are claiming?
Why are you so hung up on this?
Blackwell told you why he is pissed. Bobby basically told you in the post game then explained it on the radio afterwards.
Why are you trying to turn it into something mroe than it is.
Guys were mad, they didn't agree with the philosophy and they wanted to make changes. Like just about anyone in life, when you don't agree with your leadership, it is very reasonable to assume your preparation and production will suffer.
This isn't hard to grasp.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 9:30 am to LaFlyer
quote:Didnt read the whole thread. But at 26 it is time to drop the young man excuse, you are simply a man
but he is a young man and young men do foolish things on occasion
Posted on 7/25/14 at 9:34 am to LSU Groupee
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What philosophy is going to matter when your OL gets owned and beat up and down the field?
Don't know, but neither Blackwell, nor Bobby nor I have ever said or insinuated that changes in the personnel or gameplan would have brought a different result.
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You can blame the coaching, you can blame the QB, and you can blame the philosophy, but when you are a member of a OL that tanks it to the degree they did in that game you need to shut the frick up and take your beating like a man rather than lashing out like a D-bag.
I agree and have said basically the same thing in this thread.
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Bobby got pissed because his son didn't get to play
Bobby was mad that changes were not made to personnel and philosophy when the one you walked into the building that night was being exposed.
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He has a point, but he is such a fricking emotional idiot that no one pays any attention to him other than emotional idiots just like him.
It's not about whether he has a point or not, or if he was right or not. Both Bobby and Blackwell should have handled the situation better, and that can't be argued.
Miles will say the gameplan and team they brought into that building was good enough to win, and he is probably right. But, when it isn't happening the belief by many is that changes needed to come.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 9:50 am to LSUfan4444
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have said the coaching staff was begged by players to make changes in personnel and philosophy and those requests were denied.
So bobby is the one that's close? I am confused. T-bob has said multiple times nothing happened. Yes he was upset for not playing, but there was no revolt. They didn't show up and got their asses handed to them. These are straight from tbobs mouth on numerous occasions since he's been doing radio. He laughs at the fact people think he started some fight in the locker room. There was no begging. He did mention hey thought it was bs they had to play bama again but, The better team that day won and why some of you can't get over it is just ridiculous. 120 other programs would have loved to play in that game and would have taken their arse beating by us or banana with pride.
This post was edited on 7/25/14 at 9:53 am
Posted on 7/25/14 at 9:53 am to SouthOfSouth
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Even if he doesn't like Les, this does your alma mater no favors. This shite makes you look like an idiot, even if you believe it.
not reading all of this, but ^^^ is correct.
I don't know WB but LSU provided him a scholarship and a ton of opportunity to play on national TV. NFL or not, he got more name exposure than 99.9% of other graduating seniors. Very disappointing.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 9:55 am to dgnx6
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T-bob has said multiple times nothing happened. Yes he was upset for not playing, but there was no revolt
There was no revolt, nor am I saying there was. And yes, T-Bob has publicly said "nothing happened".
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They didn't show up and got their asses handed to them. These are straight from tbobs mouth on numerous occasions since he's been doing radio.
Agreed. I'm not quite sure why you keep replying to me saying the same things I have already said.
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He laughs at the fact people think he started some fight in the locker room.
Thats not even relevant to anything I said.
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There was no begging
I'm not going to argue semantics on the term "begging" but Blackwell, Bobby and others have said that players asked the staff about making changes, those requests were denied. What I have never heard directly is how much of those inquisitions were made during bowl prep and during the game.
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The better team that day won and why some of you can't get over it is just ridiculous
Agreed.
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120 other programs would have loved to play in that game and would have taken their arse beating by us or banana with pride.
I guess....okay?
Posted on 7/25/14 at 9:59 am to LSUfan4444
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Yes, the group that got handled. It is very reasonable to think that their performance was effected by their preparation, demeanor and attitude. All of which can be poor if you are unhappy or not in agreement with your leadership. Is it right, no. Should they have balled up and played all out, yeah, but they didn't.
I guess it's just a chicken and egg argument. I'm not going to criticize the game plan if the reason it didn't work is because the players were little bitches and pouted instead of preparing and playing as hard as they could have.
And if they then bash the coach for their own performance afterward, it makes the whole matter even worse.
Again, how do you think a coach like Saban would handle a situation like his players questioning his philosophy heading into the biggest game of the year? Would he simply acquiesce to their demands out of fear that the players would not play up to their potential? Somehow I doubt it.
And remember, I'm not the one claiming that the players did so. You are.
I've stated what I believed happened, which is that the team simply couldn't maintain the momentum they had from the season due to several factors, and got beaten by a fantastic team that played a great game.
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there were players on the offensive side of the ball who did not agree with the offensive approach and personnel and voiced their displeasure during preparation. During the game their displeasure was voiced again. Each and every attempt to "do something different" was denied.
Again, allegedly. Once by a drunken parent that was angry because his son didn't play in the game, and now two years later in vague innuendo by someone that looked like the one of the worst players on the worst unit on the field that night.
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Your defense was doing enough to keep you in the game, but you had not moved the ball across the 50 at halftime, then you had 15 minutes to make some changes. The staff refused.
Actually that's not true. LSU threw the ball on the first two plays out of halftime, including a 19 yard completion to Beckham for the longest play of the night.
On the following 2nd and 8, on the verge of crossing midfield, Jefferson dropped back to pass again but was immediately destroyed and sacked by Courtney Upshaw when Alex Hurst failed to even touch him.
The staff came out more aggressive in the second half, but again the players failed to execute, making the plan look bad.
And that is another problem I have with attacking the plan. I don't even believe we as fans are able to know what the full plan actually was. The OL was so atrocious, both running and passing plays literally never had time to develop before getting blown up in the backfield.
We don't know the plays that were called because all we saw was JJ or the RB running for their lives. I'm quite certain that's not the way the plays were drawn up.
So the criticism of the plan isn't fair to begin with, unless by "the plan" you actually mean "the personnel".
Again, Blackwell, Hebert, or anyone else that believes that Lee was the better option against that Alabama defense, which may have been the best of all time, is simply making an argument that has no history or facts to support it given his awful track record against them.
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