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re: Why is Julius Caesar looked upon so fondly by history?
Posted on 7/19/14 at 8:36 pm to jcole4lsu
Posted on 7/19/14 at 8:36 pm to jcole4lsu
It's not my opinion, I realize people seem to think of Caesar in a positive light today bc I am alive today and have read/heard/seen how he is looked upon.
Why are you being such a douchebag?
Why are you being such a douchebag?
Posted on 7/19/14 at 8:38 pm to Navytiger74
The titles that are a derivation of Caesar are likely less connected to Julius Caesar than to Caesar Augustus. Octavian made Caesar a title synonymous with Emperor for centuries, and later empires would seek legitimacy from that, as has been mentioned.
Further, those who vilify Caesar because of his overthrow of the Republic should read up on the status of the Republic by the mid 1st century BC. He obtained power over the bodies of millions of Gauls, but Pompey gained his power in much the same way.
Further, those who vilify Caesar because of his overthrow of the Republic should read up on the status of the Republic by the mid 1st century BC. He obtained power over the bodies of millions of Gauls, but Pompey gained his power in much the same way.
This post was edited on 7/19/14 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 7/19/14 at 8:40 pm to Athanatos
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The titles that are a derivation of Caesar are likely less connected to Julius Caesar than to Caesar Augustus.
Didn't realize this. But didn't Augustus derive his title from Caesar. So it's still a bit of a derivative of a derivative.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 8:42 pm to Navytiger74
I can't believe this fuxking thread. Y'all debating some ahit that happened thousands of years ago. No pics, no videos, nobody fuxking really knows the truth.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 8:43 pm to Navytiger74
Augustus was the adopted son of Caesar. He was the one who basically created a hereditary line of rulers, and it was based on the adoption of the Caesar name. He also took steps to have Caesar deified so that he was known as the son of a God. Future rulers took the name of Caesar as a source of divine approval of their regime.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 8:45 pm to Athanatos
The titles, the Shakespeare play, the pizza place, the fact that Gauls and Britons left nothing in writing.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 8:46 pm to Tiger1242
Projecting opinion as absolute fact, and laughing off all dissenters, is pretty douchey behavior imo.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 8:52 pm to Tiger1242
Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears. We come to bury Caesar not to praise him. The evil that men do live after them, the good is oft interred with their bones.So let it be with Caesar. The noble Brutus-- Am I the only one with this speech embedded in my mind. I am 60 and can still recite most of it. That is what school does to a person when you are forced to remember something.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 8:56 pm to rickyh
Battle of Alesia. Read about it if you haven't heard of it.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 10:48 pm to SDtiger16
Another thing, was Pompey taking the Roman army to Greece and abandoning Rome when Caesar started marching across Italy the worst military move ever?
Posted on 7/20/14 at 12:23 am to Tiger1242
I upvote because you provide some food for thought.
Ceasar IS very well-known and famous, but, as you point out, he was probably not the best Roman in history.
Ceasar IS very well-known and famous, but, as you point out, he was probably not the best Roman in history.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 12:30 am to Tiger1242
He was an excellent military leader
Posted on 7/20/14 at 12:31 am to Champagne
well, all Roman emperors after Caesar were named Caesar. The leaders of the Holy Roman Empire were called Caeser(Kaiser in German)and all Russian emperors were called Caesar (Tsar in Russian). And it didn't hurt that some famous British guy wrote about him.
Julius Caesar is one of the most famous and one of the most important figures in Western history even though he was a scumbag.
Julius Caesar is one of the most famous and one of the most important figures in Western history even though he was a scumbag.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 12:37 am to saintsfan92612
Scumbag is probably too harsh and non-descriptive. However, you do well to remind us all that, Ceaser, despite being the most famous Roman and arguably the most famous person in history, committed many deeds that were destructive, evil, selfish and wrong.
He's not really deserving of any admiration or acclaim. In the play written by Billy Shakes, perhaps Brutus hit the nail on the head when he said, " I come not to praise Ceasar, but to bury him."
He's not really deserving of any admiration or acclaim. In the play written by Billy Shakes, perhaps Brutus hit the nail on the head when he said, " I come not to praise Ceasar, but to bury him."
Posted on 7/20/14 at 12:37 am to GregMaddux
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I am the walrus
SHUT THE FRICK UP DONNIE
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:37 am to Tiger1242
I know the period pretty well and I see Caesar in a sympathetic light. You have to consider the period that Rome was in. Hyper-politicization had been building up for decades before Caesar was even born. Political rebellions were tearing the republic apart and popular politics was becoming the prime motive of law making. The Grachii, Saturnius, Marius and Sulla, the Social Wars were all devastating to the Republic. When Caesar began his career, the Republican system of Rome had fallen to simply one of the most corrupt and partisan governments we couldn't even imagine. The contemporaries viewed Caesar in a similar vain, as a populist who would destroy the traditions of Rome. He got no slack from the get-go. He tried to find means to keep the war from breaking out. When he had no option left, he went to war, but he showed clemency when he could. I do think he wanted to reform the political system when he returned to Rome, but I don't believe he had a chance to carry it out before he was killed.
How he treated the Gauls and Germans is typical for his time. He was not as bad in that regard as some. Mithridates ordered 80,000 Romans murdered on the same day in Anatolia.
Bribing for votes: yes, but also an every day occurrence for the time by every politician.
fricking other men's wives: He was a politician. Simple as that. I have no problem with that.
Also, to the Romans, Augustus was a much, much more popular figure than Caesar. The title of Caesar was always subordinate to that of Augustus. The Russians got the title Caesar from the Byzantines. What I think happened is they wanted to appear subordinate to the Byzantines so they choose Tsar. No real facts from that, but Russia was supposed to be the 3rd iteration of Roman authority.
How he treated the Gauls and Germans is typical for his time. He was not as bad in that regard as some. Mithridates ordered 80,000 Romans murdered on the same day in Anatolia.
Bribing for votes: yes, but also an every day occurrence for the time by every politician.
fricking other men's wives: He was a politician. Simple as that. I have no problem with that.
Also, to the Romans, Augustus was a much, much more popular figure than Caesar. The title of Caesar was always subordinate to that of Augustus. The Russians got the title Caesar from the Byzantines. What I think happened is they wanted to appear subordinate to the Byzantines so they choose Tsar. No real facts from that, but Russia was supposed to be the 3rd iteration of Roman authority.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 6:23 am to Champagne
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In the play written by Billy Shakes, perhaps Brutus hit the nail on the head when he said, " I come not to praise Ceasar, but to bury him."
Marc Antony.
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