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re: Please help me understand: Liberalism
Posted on 7/19/14 at 1:18 pm to Strannix
Posted on 7/19/14 at 1:18 pm to Strannix
Liberalism is based on Egalitarianism.
From a nearby thread on Eliz Warren:
Liberals are obsessed with equality which it totally unnatural. People are not equal. Nature is not equal. Ask a bear and a salmon about this:
From a nearby thread on Eliz Warren:
quote:
- "We believe that equal means equal, and that's true in marriage, it's true in the workplace, it's true in all of America."
Liberals are obsessed with equality which it totally unnatural. People are not equal. Nature is not equal. Ask a bear and a salmon about this:
Posted on 7/19/14 at 1:21 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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i could if we were talking in person but i'm not going to waste 2 hours of my life trying to do it on here because i'll end up having to argue with all the mouth breathers trying to push their warped and largely false perceptions of what liberalism is.
This.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 1:26 pm to Strannix
Conservatives want freedom. Liberals want equality. Both seem like good principles but freedom has a clear definition while libs keep redefining what it means to be equal.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 1:29 pm to imjustafatkid
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Conservatives want freedom. Liberals want equality. Both seem like good principles but freedom has a clear definition while libs keep redefining what it means to be equal.
The definition of Freedom changes all the time for certain people too. Freedom as long as its something I agree with. If not, then that "freedom" doesn't really exist.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 1:30 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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The definition of Freedom changes all the time for certain people too. Freedom as long as its something I agree with. If not, then that "freedom" doesn't really exist.
Nope. Freedom means the right to live your life as you see fit. That doesn't include killing unborn children (because they deserve the freedom to live) or adding new government contracts that don't really change anything about what you are free to do and really change nothing about freedom (gay marriage).
You're confusing the new definition of "equality" with freedom.
This post was edited on 7/19/14 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 7/19/14 at 1:35 pm to imjustafatkid
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Nope. Freedom means the right to live your life as you see fit. That doesn't include killing unborn children (because they deserve the freedom to live) or adding new government contracts that don't really change anything about what you are free to do and really change nothing about freedom (gay marriage).
You just exactly made my point
Posted on 7/19/14 at 1:36 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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You just exactly made my point
Actually, I just showed why your point was flawed.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 1:38 pm to RedRifle
Most American liberals are capitalists. Most of us draw the line on healthcare, the justice system, national security, and education. Not wanting someone to cut corners for the sake of the bottom line in these sectors is not unreasonable and certainly not communist.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 1:38 pm to Mickey Goldmill
All liberals do not believe exactly the same. The Roman Catholic Church espouses many extremely liberal ideas about economics and social justice but opposes abortion in every case.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 1:41 pm to imjustafatkid
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Actually, I just showed why your point was flawed.
Lol no you just defined freedom as you see it. Absolute freedom means you don't get to dictate whether 2 people can marry one another or not.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 1:44 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Lol no you just defined freedom as you see it. Absolute freedom means you don't get to dictate whether 2 people can marry one another or not.
Nothing has changed in this regard. No one would have stopped you from having a gay ceremony to do what you believe is a marriage before, and no one will stop you now. That freedom existed and nothing has changed just because we now have the newly defined "equality" you are referencing. In fact, equality didn't even really change. People all had the same equal rights before the government expanded to include gay "marriage" and they all have the same equal rights now.
You don't seem to understand the difference between freedom and "equality."
This post was edited on 7/19/14 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 7/19/14 at 1:47 pm to imjustafatkid
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Nothing has changed in this regard. No one would have stopped you from having a gay ceremony to do what you believe is a marriage before, and no one will stop you now. That freedom existed and nothing has changed just because we now have the newly defined "equality" you are referring to.
The state restricting two people from entering into a contract together is restricting their freedom. Pretty simple.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 1:50 pm to inelishaitrust
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Education
Do you honestly believe our shameful education system is due to a lack of funding?
Posted on 7/19/14 at 1:51 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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The state restricting two people from entering into a contract together is restricting their freedom. Pretty simple.
I agree with this. The government should completely remove itself from issuing marriage licenses and instead just issue social contracts (or just remove the coupling ideal altogether and let wills handle peoples' wishes but the government would never reduce its own power in such a way). They should also stop trying to infringe corporations from entering in whatever contracts they deem fit. They should stop taxing people when they die and allow people to let their will decide how to handle their property. There are true government injustices that will never be solved by government. Gay "marriage" wasn't, and isn't, one.
That doesn't mean the government should be involved in removing people's freedom to define marriage however they deem fit in the name of a false "equality."
This post was edited on 7/19/14 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 7/19/14 at 1:59 pm to imjustafatkid
Government has been involved in marriage for centuries. Not gonna change. People who vote for gay marriage bans are voting to limit the contractual freedom of their fellow man.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 2:00 pm to Strannix
Oh boy, this looks fun. Let me give it a try.
Disclaimer: I likely won't respond to all of your criticisms/disputes of this post. Simply defending any liberal idea on this site is a sure fire recipe to raise hell, so I anticipate plenty of backlash. And assuming the backlash y'all unleash is of the usual variety, much of it simply won't be worth responding to.
What absolutely blows me away here (and in your prior post) is how someone can be so unabashedly self assured. I mean, you are freely admitting that it is your belief that anyone who cannot perceive the world the way you do must have something wrong with them. Are you really so sure of yourself that the only possible conclusion you can reach about those who think differently than you do is that they must have some sort of mental impairment? Do you really not see how dangerous it is to live life this way?
Disclaimer: I likely won't respond to all of your criticisms/disputes of this post. Simply defending any liberal idea on this site is a sure fire recipe to raise hell, so I anticipate plenty of backlash. And assuming the backlash y'all unleash is of the usual variety, much of it simply won't be worth responding to.
quote:There are plenty of people who believe that life does not begin at conception. If you truly want to understand liberalism, you need to at least acknowledge that not everyone operates under the same set of assumptions that you do.
a belief system that views the removal of a living human child from a womb
quote:This is clear proof that you don't actually have any desire to understand liberalism at all. You are clearly operating under your own perceptions/assumptions rather than trying to understand someone else's. But what the hell, I'll keep going; pointing out flaws in logic are fun.
if this young lady had murdered a a baby instead of shooting an animal it would be seen as an act of courage instead of getting her death threats and a canceled contract
quote:Haha, so you have no idea then? This is awesome; an individual who is fully and willingly able to admit that he has no desire to get to know anyone who differs from himself also claims that he is capable of making a single overlapping judgment on the same massive group of people who he just admitted having no desire to know. Truly a wonderful example of when a bias too strong is combined with a vanity too intense. Excellent!
Most liberals are socialists and I don't make friends with any of them
quote:There are some liberals that this is true of; they represent a minority. It is asinine to believe that this is the only bastion of liberalism for the majority on the left.
All about hand outs and affirmative action. F that
quote:Sarcasm?
It's a mental disorder.
If you are dumb, you could be duped into being a Liberal, because you are stupid.
If you are of average or higher intelligence, but, yet, are a Liberal, you have some kind of mental or personality disorder.
Many millions of Americans are stupid, or, are afflicted with mental or personality disorders. That's why there are so many of these idiot Liberals.
quote:This is by no means contained to liberals.
Stealing from your fellow citizens via taxation under the guise that your doing it for a good cause.
quote:I guess that previous post wasn't sarcasm, cause your doubling down on stupid here, haha. There are so many ways to argue against this, but I'll try to keep it short.
It's a childish argument, but, then again, Liberalism is for those folks who are mentally very childish and/or stupid.
There are millions of Americans who are either stupid, childish, or afflicted with mental disorders, so, we have millions of Liberals.
What absolutely blows me away here (and in your prior post) is how someone can be so unabashedly self assured. I mean, you are freely admitting that it is your belief that anyone who cannot perceive the world the way you do must have something wrong with them. Are you really so sure of yourself that the only possible conclusion you can reach about those who think differently than you do is that they must have some sort of mental impairment? Do you really not see how dangerous it is to live life this way?
quote:I agree with this. As another poster said earlier, the liberal mindset is almost always formed in good intentions. But in these good intentions, they often try to fix problems that don't exist.
Liberals are obsessed with equality which it totally unnatural. People are not equal. Nature is not equal.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 2:10 pm to Strannix
1) I don't believe our education is disgraceful.
2) In many states, education is underfunded. That doesn't mean that throwing money at a problem fixes it, It means that an adequate investment is not being made for success to be possible. Mississippi is very guilty of this.
3)I believe that segregation is the single greatest challenge our education system faces.
2) In many states, education is underfunded. That doesn't mean that throwing money at a problem fixes it, It means that an adequate investment is not being made for success to be possible. Mississippi is very guilty of this.
3)I believe that segregation is the single greatest challenge our education system faces.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 2:15 pm to inelishaitrust
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Segregation
What????
Posted on 7/19/14 at 2:21 pm to Strannix
You are unaware of segregation in schools today?
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