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re: NASA: Humans will prove we are not alone in the universe within 20 years.

Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:24 pm to
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:24 pm to
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Studies on this show it would take refining millions of tons worth of lunar soil to amass enough Helium 3 for fusion generation. Not to mention the cost in a revolving door of shuttles going back and forth. This would render energy cost just as expensive as current methods.



It's much cleaner though, and the sooner we learn to refine it properly, the sooner we are less fricked when our oil runs out. Imagine if we get anywhere close to running out while all of humanity is still on Planet Earth. That would mean our extinction.

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Where will we manufacture these spaceships that launch from the moon? There? You would need entire industries established. Or perhaps build it on Earth, and launch multiple shuttles to assemble it piece by piece on the moon?



Actually, you build it in Earth's or the Moon's orbit (like we did the ISS) and then put the shuttles on the Moon. The point is we'd probably have to launch from a surface to go to the cosmos, and the Moon's surface is much, much more practical to launch a vehicle out of Earth's orbit than Earth itself. It would require a very small fraction of the fuel costs.

In the Apollo 11 mission, this is what we launched off the Moon with:



Now this is what we launched off the Earth with:



See why it may be cheaper to assemble these things from orbit and launch them from the Moon? Granted, they'd be bigger than the Apollo 11 Lunar Module, but they'd require no where near the fuel that was required to launch Apollo 11 and especially a vehicle traveling towards Mars and beyond from the Earth.

Put them on Virgin Galactic, put them to a space station orbiting the Earth, then have another space vehicle transport them to the Moon, and then said vehicle launches from the Moon, and you save greatly.
This post was edited on 7/15/14 at 10:31 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:27 pm to
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mining the moon is an extraordinarily bad idea.



Why? Granted I think mining on asteroids is a better one, but we need a base and have to start from somewhere.
Posted by xXLSUXx
New Orleans, LA
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:31 pm to
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It means we gave up, we stopped dreaming


I feel your passion. But unfortunately dreams don't pay for rocket fuel.

In scientific news: NASA gave the approval for the core stage of its SLS rocket. ( NASA's heavy lift rocket that will supply future manned missions.)

It's not that they don't want to go out to other planets. But researching and designing rockets, ecosystems, etc to do so takes extraordinary amounts of time and money. Things had to be cancelled or cut back to make room.

I don't see the period of downtime as a bad thing, but as a springboard to future endeavors.
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
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Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:36 pm to
I agree with you relative to a moon base. Mining the moon on the other hand...could be really really bad.

I'm 24. I don't see a moon base in my lifetime due to the technology and budgetary constraints. Every country in the world is concerned with themselves and their petty problems. What you're talking about would require of cooperative of almost every major country on the planet, which isn't close to happening and probably never will. I'm no soothsayer, but humans as a species aren't ready.

Eventually, as in 200+ years from now (if we're even still around), the world may be evolved enough to branch out and create the things you speak of. That's not to say we can't plant some seeds to keep the dream alive during our lifetime, but human interstellar space flight won't happen in the next 50 years. We don't even have the understanding the mechanics of it yet.
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
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Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:41 pm to
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:44 pm to
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I don't see the period of downtime as a bad thing, but as a springboard to future endeavors.



I don't care what NASA says. Obviously they really want to do this. It is the ultimate dream of their agency to send someone to Mars. I am on board with them 100%.

But where is the government in this? Where is the Congressman insisting we do this? Where is the president with the balls to say this is the most important thing instead of fighting terrorism, something that 999 out of a 1000 Americans haven't known someone directly killed by it. Seriously, car accidents have killed way more people. When are we getting the War on Cars?!

The government is full of a bunch of short sighted pussies. If July 21st 2019 rolls around and we don't have a man on the Moon by that time, then honestly Congress as a whole should have the dignity to call a session, hand everyone a revolver with one random bullet, spin the cylinder, put the barrel to the temple of their heads, and pull the trigger. Sure, 1/6 of them or hopefully more will die, but it would be justified. That is how much we as a nation have declined.

Can anyone really say that wouldn't be the most humiliating day in mankind's history. I think there were more than 6 expeditions from 1492 to 1542 to the Americas, why not the Moon?
This post was edited on 7/15/14 at 10:56 pm
Posted by WoWyHi
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:44 pm to
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But unfortunately dreams don't pay for rocket fuel.


I went to the Johnson Space Center recently and budget cuts have made the place look like a trash dump.
This post was edited on 7/15/14 at 10:46 pm
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:45 pm to
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Why? Granted I think mining on asteroids is a better one, but we need a base and have to start from somewhere.


because you could (and eventually would) frick up the tides, which would cause a lot of major ecological issues for us
This post was edited on 7/15/14 at 10:45 pm
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
58060 posts
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:47 pm to
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I went to the Johnson Space center recently and budget cuts have made the place look like a trash dump.


Gut NASA to pay for bailouts and welfare. Things like this are why we aren't ready. We haven't even solved our own problems, what makes anyone think we're ready for contact beyond earth?
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
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Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:47 pm to
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because you could (and eventually would) frick up the tides, which would cause a lot of major ecological issues for us


Agreed.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:48 pm to
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because you could (and eventually would) frick up the tides, which would cause a lot of major ecological issues for us



That would take a ridiculous amount of mining, to the degree we haven't done in our whole existence as a species. The tides aren't THAT delicate.
Posted by xXLSUXx
New Orleans, LA
Member since Oct 2010
10312 posts
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:51 pm to
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But where is the government in this? Where is the Congressman insisting we do this?


Trying to keep their jobs because their constituents want their "safety", "freedom", and welfare.

If you can run for office and convince people otherwise, I'm 100% behind you. You'll have my vote.


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I think there were more than 6 expeditions from 1492 to 1542 to the Americas, why not the Moon?


Because they had more than Helium-3.



Anyways. It's been real. Bedtime folks.

Keep the dream alive.
This post was edited on 7/15/14 at 10:53 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
110046 posts
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:52 pm to
And the weight of the Moon by Earth kilograms is 7.35x10^22 kg. A million tons is like a speck for the Moon. It's not going to affect the tides whatsoever, especially since it's going to take centuries to mine that stuff from it.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
110046 posts
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:53 pm to
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Trying to keep their jobs because their constituents want their "safety", "freedom", and welfare.

If you can run for office and convince people otherwise, I'm 100% behind you. You'll have my vote.


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I think there were more than 6 expeditions from 1492 to 1542 to the Americas, why not the Moon?


Because they had more than Helium-3.



Anyways. It's been real. Bedtime folks.

Keep the dream alive.


Posted by WoWyHi
Member since Jul 2009
23339 posts
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:54 pm to
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Gut NASA


I don't care why it was done, we need to get their budget back. Sitting through the video where Kennedy talked about the space program and humanity's search for knowledge made me sick considering how bad of shape the place was in.
Posted by Dick Leverage
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Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:56 pm to
Well. He got me interested enough to google. The 13 bloodlines are the illuminati and include prominent families like :

Astor
Kennedy
Du Pont
Rothschilds
Rockefeller

Just google 13 satanic bloodlines and let the kookiness begin.
Posted by Asgard Device
The Daedalus
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 7/15/14 at 11:00 pm to
I think I would be a little horrified if we picked up signals of a civilization that was comparable in tech to ours, if it emanated from a solar system that is like 20,000 light years away. Imagine human civilization 400 years form now, much less 20,000 years. They may have mastered interstellar travel by now.

Ideally we would pick up a civilization that was a further behind us than their distance.
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
58060 posts
Posted on 7/15/14 at 11:01 pm to
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Ideally we would pick up a civilization that was a further behind us than their distance.


Then what?
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19674 posts
Posted on 7/15/14 at 11:05 pm to
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specifically to see how it would affect religions



Hippies


He created the universe not just this planet. Wont affect me at all.
Posted by SundayFunday
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 7/15/14 at 11:17 pm to
They would most likely be dead. Look back to the filter around page 7-10
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