re: 4thWarmest June on Record

K so you actually think more was done before 1980 to combat climate change than has been done since then???? Got it

So we're cooling now?

fossil fuels vs renewables is a false dilemma

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No one is seeking to "control" the Earth's temperature - the goal is to eliminate man's effect on the temperature, not to "control" it.

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See, that's where you go way off the reservation.

Whether or not man is or isn't causing temperatures to warm makes no difference. It has warmed before to temperatures greater than we see now.

Besides man is a part of the ecosystem too, and no matter how good of a steward we are; we still will leave our "fingerprints" on nature. We can't exist in a vacuum.

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Though if we keep going the direction we are - we'll probably have to look at ways to control it. Cooling the Earth is hardly "impossible" - we'd just have to kick up enough dust into the air. Unfortunately that blocks out light and will cause crop failures - so there is a price to be paid for the 'easy' fix.

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We aren't going to control the climates. To indicate we can is ridiculous. Sure you could set off a thousand nukes and paint the sky with dust, etc. but that's a one time event. That's not controlling the climates.

The Sun and the Earth itself are the two most important variables here, not man. Both are heat engines of sorts and both can not be controlled.

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Warmest ever when looking at a few centuries of suspect data means nothing at all.

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exactly correct, yet it means everything to the simple minded nitwits like the op that thinks they "know something" about global warming, oh wait that's been downgraded to "climate change" right, that the rest of us don't.

Since water vapor is a far greater factor in a "greenhouse gas" model, should't we be more concerned about clouds, not that they are any less of a natural development than is CO2 gas. That these idiots think they can rant a few blarbs of random data and be taken as serious on understanding science, is a sad statement of the product of our educational system. Moreover that these fools use such baseless claims as the platform for their "cause" shows what sad and empty lives they must have.

Not sure which I pity more, these idiots for their stupidity or us for having to put up with them.

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4thWarmest June on Record

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When we have the coldest month in whatever, y'all call it weather.

I wish I worked for an oil company but unfortunately I don't.

I'm absolutely saying that "deniers" would be on board with you if you could find a cheap renewable fuel that simply replaced oil, coal, and natural gas. "Deniers" would be thrilled with that because it would solve the inexpensive clean alternative fuel source issue while also reducing emissions all without making energy insanely expensive for regular customers and industries. IF progressives REALLY wanted to rapidly get away from oil and gas they'd be wise to empower the oil companies with the control of the green technologies thus given them a disincentive to stick with oil and gas while giving THEM incentives to control the alternative fuel sources. This guarantees that the big evil oil companies that your side loves to demonize and accuse of having all the power will keep that power but will do so selling safe, renewable non polluting, non carbon dioxide admitting fossil fuels. Seem like a win win for everyone accept that your boogie man traditional oil companies get to stay in business and have influence. Methinks you love the idea (as everyone does) of not having to burn anymore fossil fuels but you might not think it's so great after all if it means the energy companies that have traditionally supported the Republicans survive and thrive after the transition to the new fuel source.

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I wish I worked for an oil company but unfortunately I don't.

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I have a friend who used to work for Schlumberger working a oil field exploration contract in Siberia, you think traveling on a budget for your job is tough.. lol

But I think some of you are missing the point, these people running around chanting and shrieking over the falling sky do not care about reality. They need a personal cause for their daily affirmation and they have found that in fighting the good fight vs the Koch Bros.

If the ends justify the means, there is no need for real science when any would be scifi author can drum up all the pseudo-science required to keep the big thinkers like Al Gore believing in their cause.

It's a simple them vs us power struggle and they will hand themselves any out deemed necessary to believe they are on the right side. It's a tried and true formula now, like Hollywood always going back to Nazi's when they need a source of evil that can't be disputed. They believe they have won because they can out shout anyone who dares buck the trend and point out their "science" is not even remotely sound let alone proven.

Much like muslim zealots, they would rather die than be proven wrong or even take up a real discussion debating merits of their belief. They have a cause to believe in now and many will carry it until and unless reality hits them like a steel girder square in the nose, and they no longer have the luxury to indulge such foolish wastes of time on fantasy.

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This is the coolest summer I ever experienced.

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k What are you, like 12 years old?

Where were your threads on the coldest winter on record?

Oh sorry, doesn't fit your narrative that cows farting is making ere thing hotter!!