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re: WWII: Would You Choose the Pacific or Europe?
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:56 pm to Spaceman Spiff
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:56 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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Really, you are going use Malmedy as an excuse? You might want to read up on Jap treatment of allied prisoners. Sure, life in the stalags was bad, but nothing compared to what the Japs did. They rarely took prisoners, but when they did... Also, there was no where to go on the islands...
smile.
I'm a student of the 2nd World War. The germans were shitheads. At the end of the war the marched all our POWs across germany trying to prevent them from being liberated. A lot of them died.
Believe me, I know how the Japanese behaved all too well (if you weren't careful you ended up on their dinner plate). And why do have to go anywhere on an island. frick that....I will land with the Marines and be fricking shite up.
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:56 pm to FunroePete
One is not like the other. Haven't watched the Pacific, but was told it was full of inaccuracies.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:56 pm to undecided
Europe, you would get leave in London, Paris, Rome. Plus less skeeters. I don't mind the cold
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:56 pm to Bagger Joe
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The Aleutians are the only place in the US that the Japanese ever actually invaded.
and provided us with a fully intact zero to study
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:57 pm to Pavoloco83
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Yeah, in places like the island of Paavuvu. Trench foot, constant rain, rotting vegetation and little to no fresh water.
You can have the pacific. My great uncle was a P-51 pilot in the war in the Pacific. Got shot down in China and escaped and evaded. He is 90 years old and tells stories about the Japanese.
I spoke to more then on vet from the war (sadly there are too few left) most of them in europe wanted to be in the pacific and most in the pacific wanted europe.
Grass is always greener ;-).
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:57 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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Me also. But at least the Germans actually took and treated prisoners.
This was true of their American & British POW's. But let's not forget the Germans also captured an estimated 5.7 million Soviet soldiers during the war and of that number something like 3.5 million died. That's prisoner slaughter on a scale the Japs never dreamed of.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:58 pm to Darth_Vader
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I've studied both the Pacific & European theaters for years. If you gave me a choice of facing a regiment of Waffen SS or a mixed brigade of Imperial Japanese Army, I'll take the Japs every time. The Germans were vastly better soldiers with far better tactics and equipment that was literally decades ahead of the Japanese.
I don't know man, I'd take D-Day or the battle of the Bulge over Iwo Jima any day.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:58 pm to undecided
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Japs had no sympathy for those that did not die in battle. They considered POW's cowards for surviving
yup.
Which is why most did not surrender even when they were losing.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:58 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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I don't know man,
those are some fine choices right there
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:59 pm to Darth_Vader
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I've studied both the Pacific & European theaters for years. If you gave me a choice of facing a regiment of Waffen SS or a mixed brigade of Imperial Japanese Army, I'll take the Japs every time. The Germans were vastly better soldiers with far better tactics and equipment that was literally decades ahead of the Japanese.
yup.
I forget (Im old sue me) but as I recall the odds of survival in the Pacific "greatly" out paced the odds of survival in the Europe for the common soldier.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:00 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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Me also. But at least the Germans actually took and treated prisoners.
you planning on surrendering?
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:02 pm to Bagger Joe
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Not all of the Pacific Theatre was jungle and beaches. My uncle was a tail gunner on a B-24 out of the Aleutian Islands. He rarely spoke of the war but when he did, we all listened intently. He said the buildings on his base were all connected with ropes due to frequent blizzards that would disorient you only a few feet out of buildings and you followed the rope to find your way. The majority of their missions were flown only a few feet above the ocean so parachutes were useless for nothing more than something soft to sit on and if you did survive a water crash or landing, you wouldn't survive long in the cold water. The Aleutians are the only place in the US that the Japanese ever actually invaded.
I bet he had some great stories. I know we sat on the edges of our seats listening to his stories, especially the one where his plane came home with 408 holes in it along with one crew dead and two others injured. All of his stories weren't about missions, though...he always got a laugh when telling about the time the king cobra got into their tent while in the CBI (India).
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:04 pm to 777Tiger
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those are some fine choices right there
I think our definition of fines choices differ a good bit.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:05 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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I think our definition of fines choices differ a good bit.
our Dads, uncles, and grandpas were some getting the job done mofos
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:06 pm to Darth_Vader
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That's prisoner slaughter on a scale the Japs never dreamed of.
yup, if you surrendered to them on the eastern front...you were a dead man walking.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:07 pm to Spaceman Spiff
My wife's grandfather was a pilot on B-24's in the Aleutians. He's still alive and kicking pretty good. He tells stories of landing in zero visibility with 1940's technology. Balls of steel.
My grandfather was in the Battle of the Bulge. He never really talked about it that much. But I do know he didn't have any winter clothing. Anytime it got below 65 he had a knit cap and sweater on. If you asked him why he'd say "After the war I swore to myself I'd never be cold again."
My grandfather was in the Battle of the Bulge. He never really talked about it that much. But I do know he didn't have any winter clothing. Anytime it got below 65 he had a knit cap and sweater on. If you asked him why he'd say "After the war I swore to myself I'd never be cold again."
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:07 pm to 777Tiger
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those are some fine choices right there
Ain't that the truth!
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:07 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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MacArthur was a pussy.
He was decidedly not, actually...in fact, he was often idiotically brave considering his value and his position going all the way back to the Philippine-American War. He was reprimanded for his refusal to come off the lines in World War I as a division commander. It also took a direct order from the President himself for him to leave Wainwright and Corregidor.
He was, in my ever so humble opinion, the best general these United States have ever produced.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:08 pm to AbuTheMonkey
It was tongue and cheek.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:09 pm to asurob1
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yup, if you surrendered to them on the eastern front...you were a dead man walking.
Yeah, they had a special distaste for the Russians. But, the Russians weren't choir boys, either...
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