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re: WWII: Would You Choose the Pacific or Europe?
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:13 pm to AbuTheMonkey
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:13 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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He was, in my ever so humble opinion, the best general these United States have ever produced.
He was good, granted that, but there have been much better. His landing at Inchon was magnificent, but he lost the Philippines and his return/liberation was due to the Navy and not his actions. Yes, a great General but not the best...
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:13 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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Yeah, they had a special distaste for the Russians. But, the Russians weren't choir boys, either...
from what I gather, they weren't necessarily compassionate towards us as much as they didn't know how far along we were in developing the bomb, they were trying to get the Nazi scientists as hard as we were to get there first
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:14 pm to Darth_Vader
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This was true of their American & British POW's. But let's not forget the Germans also captured an estimated 5.7 million Soviet soldiers during the war and of that number something like 3.5 million died. That's prisoner slaughter on a scale the Japs never dreamed of.
Soviets were dirty son of bitches also and they did their best to make the Germans pay for this. Remember what ultimately halted the war on the Eastern front was the Russian winter. Millions of Germans snowed in in Russia. They became sitting ducks
*One of the first things I remember learning about war was that Hitler fell victim to the same mistake Napoleon did, trying to invade Russia and being unprepared for winter
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 10:18 pm
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:15 pm to 777Tiger
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from what I gather, they weren't necessarily compassionate towards us as much as they didn't know how far along we were in developing the bomb, they were trying to get the Nazi scientists as hard as we were to get there first
Yeah. I recall reading somewhere of war plans against them with Germans aiding at the end of the war.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:16 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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He was decidedly not, actually...in fact, he was often idiotically brave considering his value and his position going all the way back to the Philippine-American War. He was reprimanded for his refusal to come off the lines in World War I as a division commander. It also took a direct order from the President himself for him to leave Wainwright and Corregidor.
He was, in my ever so humble opinion, the best general these United States have ever produced.
your humble opinion would be wrong.
he was easily the worst and should have been sacked after leaving all our B-17s on the run way to be bombed....after pearl harbor...he should have been sacked for all his glowing reports of how the Philippines was going. And he should have never been allowed to reinvade the Philippines costing the lives of countless American soldiers all to assuage his ego.
he was a terrible commander.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:16 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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Yeah, they had a special distaste for the Russians. But, the Russians weren't choir boys, either...
Yeah they raped their way across germany, anything between 9 and 90.
Bad stuff.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:17 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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I don't know man, I'd take D-Day or the battle of the Bulge over Iwo Jima any day.
Operation Overlord saw a total of a quarter of a million Allied casualties. Approximately 10,000 died in the landings. Overlord lasted from 6 June 44 - 30 Aug 44, a little over 2 and a half months.
The Battle of the Bulge saw almost 90,000 casualties, including 19,000 dead in a little over a month (16 Dec 44 - 25 Jan 45).
Iwo Jima saw approximately 25,000 casualties, including 6,800 dead in a little over a month (19 Feb 45 - 26 March 45).
If you calculate the number of days of each campaign by the number of casualties, here is what you get...
Overlord saw about 2,978 casualties per day for 76 days.
The Bulge saw about 2,130 casualties per day for 42 days.
Iwo Jima saw about 667 casualties a day for 39 days
Of the three, Iwo Jima was a cake walk compared to the bloodbath of Overlord and the Bulge.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:19 pm to asurob1
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leaving all our B-17s on the run way to be bombed..
In the Phillipines?
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:20 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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It was tongue and cheek.
Ah, gotcha.
If you want to read an amazing book about MacArthur (and the Pacific in general), read American Caesar.
Simply amazing man...fought in every major American conflict from the Philippines (in 1903) through the Korean War, just for starters. General officer in three of them. He was (and still is, to an extent) something of a George Washington figure in the Philippines. Essentially wrote and laid the foundation for the modern Japanese constitution. The landing on Inchon. It goes on and on and on.
The best we've ever had.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:20 pm to Darth_Vader
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Iwo Jima saw about 667 casualties a day for 39 days
667 KIA for 39 days in a row in less than 15 square miles, yep, give that one to me
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:20 pm to Darth_Vader
Yeah but there were a lot more troops involved in Overlord and Battle of the Bulge.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:21 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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leaving all our B-17s on the run way to be bombed..
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In the Phillipines?
Yes, WE had B-17's stationed at Clark Field in the Philippines when the Japs struck in Dec 41. What's worse, he had hours of warning that they were coming and he did nothing to protect his B-17's.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:21 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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He was, in my ever so humble opinion, the best general these United States have ever produced.
That's debatable but a good debate.
My father fought all over the South and West Pacific as a paratrooper. He jumped at 600' on a static line with an 70-80 lb pack and his Thompson Sub Machine Gun and his Colt 45 1911, which I have.
I remember asking him as a kid what that scar was on his bicep. He said it was from landing in a tree because at 600' with all that weight you came down and hit like a stone. I asked him why he jumped so low. He raised his shirt and showed me the scar on his back where a Japanese soldier had shot him. He said to get his arse on the ground so he didn't get anymore of these.
He was a tough old bird and he died last year. He had friends all over the world fighting. He didn't envy them and they didn't envy him. War is war and all of them were in it for the duration. He was in a troop transport in the Phillipines when Fat Man and Little Boy were dropped. If they weren't he would have been on the first wave of the invasion of Japan and I would not be typing on my iPad tonight because I would not exist.
No use comparing. It was hell all over.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:22 pm to Darth_Vader
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the three, Iwo Jima was a cake walk compared to the bloodbath of Overlord and the Bulge.
What were the numbers of our soldiers/Marines in each? Too lazy to look, but it would be surprised if the total numbers at Iwo matched the others...
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:22 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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The best we've ever had
Meh, he was good, but he couldn't sniff Puller's jockstrap.
:pissingcontestengaged:
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:23 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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In the Phillipines?
oh yeah.
You could say he got with his pants down after pearl harbor.
But he was well aware that the war had begun.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:24 pm to Darth_Vader
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Yes, WE had B-17's stationed at Clark Field in the Philippines when the Japs struck in Dec 41. What's worse, he had hours of warning that they were coming and he did nothing to protect his B-17's.
I knew there were some, but not numbers. Thanks for sharing. I think we have a troll in our midst...
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:25 pm to Darth_Vader
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Yes, WE had B-17's stationed at Clark Field in the Philippines when the Japs struck in Dec 41. What's worse, he had hours of warning that they were coming and he did nothing to protect his B-17's.
Yup.
Horrible field commander.
You know it's a bad sign when you have your underlings controlling your PR.
Terrible...cost a lot of men their lives in Korea too pushing too far north then getting caught with "his pants down" again and getting his arse kicked by the Chicoms.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:25 pm to asurob1
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oh yeah. You could say he got with his pants down after pearl harbor. But he was well aware that the war had begun.
I haven't read much on his interpretation of things... What was his reasoning?
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 10:26 pm
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:27 pm to Martini
Thanks for sharing. This thread isn't meant to be offensive, just a way to open discussion and hear other people views of the War 
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