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re: WWII: Would You Choose the Pacific or Europe?
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:12 pm to undecided
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:12 pm to undecided
Europe by long yards for a lot of reasons.
1. Weather. No tropics. No monsoons.
2. No bushido code/fanatical enemy soldiers (fewer anyway).
3. Much less tortuous treatment of POW's
4. Possibility of escape existed due to guerilla resistance in much of the warzone.
5. Basic commonality of christian ethics on many things (definitely not including antisemitism.)
6. No fighting island to island across a vast ocean. Once across the pond, you were there.
7. No Kamikazes
1. Weather. No tropics. No monsoons.
2. No bushido code/fanatical enemy soldiers (fewer anyway).
3. Much less tortuous treatment of POW's
4. Possibility of escape existed due to guerilla resistance in much of the warzone.
5. Basic commonality of christian ethics on many things (definitely not including antisemitism.)
6. No fighting island to island across a vast ocean. Once across the pond, you were there.
7. No Kamikazes
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 9:13 pm
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:13 pm to Darth_Vader
Are you a true War Buff? I go thru phases where I'm really into the topic but I can't say I'm fully committed
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Like I said, people now say the reports were way exaggerated: LINK
quote:
In one incident, the torpedoing of USS Indianapolis on 30 July 1945, oceanic whitetips are believed to be responsible for many of the attacks on sailors who survived the initial sinking,[15] though most reportedly died from exposure to the elements rather than from shark attacks.[18]
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:21 pm to lsu480
Yet, hey happened.
LINK
LINK
quote:
"They were continually there, mostly feeding off the dead bodies. Thank goodness, there were lots of dead people floating in the area."
But soon they came for the living, too.
"We were losing three or four each night and day," says Cox. "You were constantly in fear because you'd see 'em all the time. Every few minutes you'd see their fins - a dozen to two dozen fins in the water.
"They would come up and bump you. I was bumped a few times - you never know when they are going to attack you."
Some of the men would pound the water, kick and yell when the sharks attacked. Most decided that sticking together in a group was their best defence. But with each attack, the clouds of blood in the water, the screaming, the splashing, more sharks would come.
"In that clear water you could see the sharks circling. Then every now and then, like lightning, one would come straight up and take a sailor and take him straight down. One came up and took the sailor next to me. It was just somebody screaming, yelling or getting bit."
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:21 pm to lsu480
I link the Smithsonian to support my argument and you counter with Wikipedia?
How many of these "people" who "now say" the shark attacks on the men of the Indianapolis were exaggerated were actually there in the water?
Further more, these "people" who "now say" this have a well identified agenda of making the public believe that sharks are little no no threat.
ETA: I digged into your Wiki link and this is the guy you're basing your argument on...
He's a film maker.
quote:
people now say the reports were way exaggerated
How many of these "people" who "now say" the shark attacks on the men of the Indianapolis were exaggerated were actually there in the water?
Further more, these "people" who "now say" this have a well identified agenda of making the public believe that sharks are little no no threat.
ETA: I digged into your Wiki link and this is the guy you're basing your argument on...
quote:
Doug Stanton is an author and a founder of the Traverse City Film Festival. He graduated from the Interlochen Arts Academy in Michigan and Hampshire College in Massachusetts.[1]
He's a film maker.
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:22 pm to undecided
quote:
Are you a true War Buff? I go thru phases where I'm really into the topic but I can't say I'm fully committed
I'm a history buff in general.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:25 pm to fishfighter
My dad, who passed away a few weeks ago, served in WWII aboard a Haskell Class Transport-Attack ship out in the Pacific. I'd have loved to do some time traveling and end up a shipmate of his.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:26 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:
I'm a history buff in general.
Right there with you, Darth. There should be a separate board for military/history matters.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:27 pm to lsu480
quote:
Like I said, people now say the reports were way exaggerated
I don't know, I've read both books re: the Indy, and the Iowa, I'm not sure it was. Most of the books contain survivor accounts. Also, I don't know how much deep sea fishing you've done, but those guys on rafts create the perfect storm for the food chain. Barnacles form on the flotsam, attracting bait fish, attracting a little bit bigger fish, etc. The sharks come up to feed off the fish, and they're going to investigate anything up there that looks edible. I used to fish in Key West a lot, and there's more than one story of charter boat captains coming across rafters, and before they pick them up ,they take a pass or two by the trash line to pick up a dolphin or wahoo.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:27 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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Right there with you, Darth. There should be a separate board for military/history matters
I'd be all over that.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:28 pm to undecided
My dad fought Pacific campaign.
Got sunk Santa Cruz islands.
Knew the japs up close.
Said the Chinese in Korea were the absolute devil. We killed two devils only I go in business with them now.
Both cultures exist on a long curve-
Both does not forget.
Got sunk Santa Cruz islands.
Knew the japs up close.
Said the Chinese in Korea were the absolute devil. We killed two devils only I go in business with them now.
Both cultures exist on a long curve-
Both does not forget.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:29 pm to 777Tiger
Damn, some fool is down voting everything... 
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:30 pm to Pavoloco83
quote:
1. Weather. No tropics. No monsoons.
2. No bushido code/fanatical enemy soldiers (fewer anyway).
3. Much less tortuous treatment of POW's
4. Possibility of escape existed due to guerilla resistance in much of the warzone.
5. Basic commonality of christian ethics on many things (definitely not including antisemitism.)
6. No fighting island to island across a vast ocean. Once across the pond, you were there.
7. No Kamikazes
Pacific by a long shot.
I hate being cold, the nazis were as fanatical as the japanese in different ways...(see the malmedy massacre), I wouldn't be worrying about being a POW, cause I wouldn't be surrendering, You get breaks between those islands unlike europe. And Kamikazes were only a problem to destroyer sailors (for the most part).
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:32 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Read "Unbroken". The biography of Lou Zamperini. Zamp died this week at age 91. He was an olympic athlete who met Hitler. Was shot down in a B24 in the pacific. Lived through 47 days of open water survival in the pacific, including several shark attacks and jap strafing. Only to land in the marshall islands and be imprisoned for the rest of the war. Tortured as a POW, moved to mainland Japan. Finally after the war, became an alcoholic as a result of PTSD. Then met a young Billy Graham and dedicated his life to the Lord.
You talk about a BAD arse. thats him.
You talk about a BAD arse. thats him.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:33 pm to undecided
shite man..it's not even close for me...euroland by a landslide. The war in the Pacific was brutal and unpredictable..
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:34 pm to asurob1
quote:
I hate being cold, the nazis were as fanatical as the japanese in different ways...(see the malmedy massacre), I wouldn't be worrying about being a POW, cause I wouldn't be surrendering, You get breaks between those islands unlike europe. And Kamikazes were only a problem to destroyer sailors (for the most part).
Really, you are going use Malmedy as an excuse? You might want to read up on Jap treatment of allied prisoners. Sure, life in the stalags was bad, but nothing compared to what the Japs did. They rarely took prisoners, but when they did... Also, there was no where to go on the islands...
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:35 pm to undecided
Europe.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:35 pm to asurob1
quote:
You get breaks between those islands unlike europe.
Yeah, in places like the island of Paavuvu. Trench foot, constant rain, rotting vegetation and little to no fresh water.
You can have the pacific. My great uncle was a P-51 pilot in the war in the Pacific. Got shot down in China and escaped and evaded. He is 90 years old and tells stories about the Japanese.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:36 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:
I'm a history buff in general.
Hindsight is 20/20 but I wish I would have become a History professor. It's always been my favorite subject.
Also, we have a tech board now so may is history board won't be far behind ::fingerscrossed::
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:36 pm to asurob1
quote:
, the nazis were as fanatical as the japanese in different ways..
didn't they more or less stop fighting at night, then resume in the morning?
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