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re: Athletic program goals and coaches at LSU
Posted on 6/4/14 at 5:11 pm to lsu2006
Posted on 6/4/14 at 5:11 pm to lsu2006
So all sports, except for NCAA baseball, it's OK to expect that your team will finish top 8 ALMOST every year if they have the:
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Best recruiting, best stadium, best fans, best facilities.
This post was edited on 6/4/14 at 5:16 pm
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Posted on 6/4/14 at 5:13 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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. It isn't always only about having the highest rated recruits. Just ask Stony Brook and Houston.
We shouldn't have lost to those teams. We shouldn't have lost to UCLA. We finished with the best record ever and got knocked out in 2 games. We have loads of talent, the best pitcher in the country. No we should be in Omaha considering that.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 5:15 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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I'm not making excuses for us NOT making it to Omaha. What I am doing is just debating with you that baseball is different than any other sport.
I get that you dont expect omaha every year. Thats fine. How about only making it to the Supers twice in 5 years. Omaha once. That has to be unacceptable.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 5:15 pm to abellsujr
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So all sports, except for NCAA baseball, it's OK to think that a team will finish top 8 if they have the:
No. My point is that you can't have the same exact black-and-white "top 8" standard in all of these sports. They don't cross lines. Expecting to finish "top 8" in basketball is idiotic as well because of the nature of the tournament. Football is a completely different animal because there are less teams and (previously) no tournament.
You still haven't cleared up whether going to Omaha/Elite 8 signifies "top 8" or just finishing top 8 in a final poll fulfills this.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 5:16 pm to lsu2006
OK, just checking.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 5:16 pm to abellsujr
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So all sports, except for NCAA baseball, it's OK to expect that your team will finish top 8 if they have the
If you are talking about the elite 8 for basketball - No.
If you are talking about final rankings before the bowl games are played in college football - Slightly more realistic. But still not going to happen every single year because of the number of games played. One slip up and you could easily be out of the top 8.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 5:19 pm to dgnx6
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We shouldn't have lost to UCLA
You don't understand baseball then. ANYONE can't beat anyone in one game of baseball. Sucks, but it is true.
Why shouldn't we have lost to Houston. They have a better overall pitching staff than LSU does...or can you not admit that they do?
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the best pitcher in the country
Really? You think we should be in Omaha because we have the best pitcher, in your opinion, in the country? He pitches once a week. No we shouldn't be in Omaha because of that. Despite having "the best pitcher in the country", Houston still has a better pitching staff than LSU does. I'm sorry if you don't like to hear that.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 5:19 pm to lsu2006
Gun to my head, here are my "expectations" of LSU baseball:
- Make the tourney every year
- Host a regional 8/10 years
- Play in a super 7 or 8 times/10 years, host 5 or 6 times
- Omaha 4 or so times per 10 years
Obviously this isn't cut and dry and there are so many variables that can cause a program to not fulfill these expectations to a T.
- Make the tourney every year
- Host a regional 8/10 years
- Play in a super 7 or 8 times/10 years, host 5 or 6 times
- Omaha 4 or so times per 10 years
Obviously this isn't cut and dry and there are so many variables that can cause a program to not fulfill these expectations to a T.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 5:20 pm to PurpleAndGold86
My point is simply that it's not out of the ordinary to expect that LSU should make it to Omaha almost every year. I don't have a problem with anyone who expects this.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 5:21 pm to Adam Banks
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Adam Banks
You're not big on gray areas are you?
Posted on 6/4/14 at 5:21 pm to Adam Banks
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How about only making it to the Supers twice in 5 years. Omaha once. That has to be unacceptable.
Unacceptable? No. Unaccpetbale means firing worthy. I do not think that is unacceptable.
Also anything can be skewed if you change it just a bit. If I go back 6 years I can saw LSU has gone to 3 out of 6 Supers and 2 out of 6 Omahas.
That means LSU would go to a Super 50% of the time and Omaha 33% of the time.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 5:23 pm to lsu2006
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You're not big on gray areas are you?
I get that Joe alleva is your cousin or maybe your uncle, but others expect more from a coach than making a couple regionals.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 5:26 pm to abellsujr
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I don't have a problem with anyone who expects this.
I don't have a problem with anyone who thinks it. I mean, I don't have a problem with you. You seem like a reasonable person and probably cooler than most of the posters on here. I personally just would never hold any team to an expectation of that level of sustained success. I don't think PM will ever be fired for maintaining the level of success he has kept the program at, but I certainly don't have a problem with someone who thinks we should do more as long as they aren't just BLASTING the players and coaches and everyone else, which I don't believe you have done.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 5:28 pm to PurpleAndGold86
Agreed. 
Posted on 6/4/14 at 5:29 pm to Adam Banks
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I get that Joe alleva is your cousin or maybe your uncle, but others expect more from a coach than making a couple regionals.
What the hell are you talking about?
Posted on 6/4/14 at 5:33 pm to abellsujr
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LSU should be in Omaha almost every year, IMO. Those are the expectations. Best recruiting, best stadium, best fans, best facilities. I think it's OK to expect that.
So Miles should be in the BCS every year, likely meaning he wins the SEC every year or hopes for an at-large
because that is the football equivalent to making it to Omaha.
Note: The most successful active coach in making it to Omaha since CPM took over at LSU is Mike Fox for UNC and he has only made it 4 times. That is half of the time. CPM is 3/8 with one national championship.
This post was edited on 6/4/14 at 5:54 pm
Posted on 6/4/14 at 5:33 pm to PurpleAndGold86
quote:Ummm... not sure how to begin to address this. We're not talking about LSU basketball saying they want the Final Four every year (which, btw, a school like Duke or Kentucky could call a legit goal).
LSU should be in Omaha almost every year, IMO. Those are the expectations.
No it really isn't. That is completely unrealistic and ridiculous.
There are other schools out there with top notch facilities. And just because you have top notch facilities doesn't mean you are one of the 8 best baseball TEAMS in the country.
LSU baseball won 7 national titles, all of them since ESPN began carrying the sport. We have the biggest fanbase, the best facilities.. we ARE the Duke of college baseball. Until very recently, we were far and away the most recognizable program in the sport; now it's dropped to "certainly in contention".
It SHOULD be a goal to make it to Omaha every season; to win it at least once every 5 yrs or so. That's not unrealistic, it's knowing what you are/can be. This season was mediocre by LSU standards; we made (and hosted) a regional, and won the SEC tourney. That's bare minimum based on what we've built here.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 5:34 pm to lsu2006
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What the hell are you talking about?
For some reason you are in love with Joe Alleva and any criticism (direct or indirect) of the guy is a personal thing to you. Maineri is riding high off an NC from years ago and Joe is willing to sit on his hands and let him do that. Just like he does with the SEC office
Posted on 6/4/14 at 5:39 pm to lsu2006
Mine would be about exactly the same as yours.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 5:41 pm to abellsujr
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LSU should be in Omaha almost every year, IMO. Those are the expectations. Best recruiting, best stadium, best fans, best facilities. I think it's OK to expect that.
None of those things increases the number of good players on your team. Recruiting great players who sign pro contracts does not help LSU.
What used to help was large numbers of walk-ons who had TOPS or other academic money. Now we can not do this. 35 person roster. min of 25% scholarship. 11.7 scholarships for a 25 player travel roster? These limitations are real and spread out the talent.
This post was edited on 6/4/14 at 5:43 pm
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