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Gun Control in Nazi Germany
Posted on 5/12/14 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 5/12/14 at 7:12 pm
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There is no shortage of theories or writings related to the rise of the Third Reich and the subsequent Holocaust. Stephen Halbrook’s 2013 book, Gun Control in the Third Reich offers a compelling and important account of the role of gun prohibition in aiding Hitler’s goals of exterminating the Jews and other “enemies of the state.” While much of the early gun prohibition was created with supposedly good intent, Halbrook carefully and meticulously details how a change in political regime facilitated manipulating some well-intentioned gun registration laws and other gun prohibition to be used in inconceivable ways.
Students of history as well as Second Amendment enthusiasts will find this a fascinating book and will find parallels between gun prohibition in pre-Nazi and Nazi Germany, and attempts to prohibit types of gun ownership and implement other forms of gun prohibition in the United States today. The current climate in the United States surrounding gun prohibition combined with a president who uses his office to impose executive order in ways not historically common gives many citizens pause, especially when looking at the era of the Third Reich. While certain states have imposed gun registration laws recently, enforcement of the laws remains unclear.
While Halbrook is careful to point out that a combination of factors led to the events of the Holocaust, there is no denying that many of the pre-war activities contributed to Hitler’s ability to disarm targeted groups, particularly the Jews. The rapid pace with which Hitler disarmed the populace in Germany is startling. Halbrook’s account is gripping, thorough, and full of legal documentation, leading the reader through the sometimes-daily changes in gun prohibitions that furthered Hitler’s agenda. Ultimately, the prohibitions enacted by the Nazi regime led to monopoly control of firearms by the Nazis and eliminated the ability of many groups in society to defend themselves. A similar progression in contemporary society related to government control of firearms and the firearms industry is a concern of many gun owners in the United States today.
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Posted on 5/12/14 at 7:15 pm to RollTide4Ever
What's the biggest similarity between gun control in the Third Reich and the gun control scheme in the present-day United States?
Posted on 5/12/14 at 7:47 pm to RollTide4Ever
so has any other country ever used any form of gun control? or was this exclusively a nazi policy?
Posted on 5/12/14 at 8:34 pm to RollTide4Ever
Anybody with a basic understanding of this debate knows that gun control proponents desire to limit civilian ownership as much as they possibly can. It's in the history of every major gun control group in the US as well as the major international ones. The company trying to push its smart gun technology, Armatix, reads more like a gun control company that happens to sell firearms in the attempt to legitimize its position.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:23 pm to RollTide4Ever
Unlike the well armed Volksstrum who were able to keep the Red Army out of Berlin.
This post was edited on 5/12/14 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 5/13/14 at 1:52 am to RollTide4Ever
The irony here is that gun control was actually relaxed under National Socialism. It was the Weimar governments who introduced the strict gun control legislation.
Granted after Kristallnacht Jews were finally completely stripped of their rights to own firearms and other forms of weaponry, the rise to power of Hitler and the NSDAP had essentially nothing to do with them implementing stringent gun laws. They also greatly increased gun liberties for those deemed German citizens, which of course necessarily corresponded with their blood/race laws. In fact, Jews had been thoroughly stripped of any real power and influence in Germany by the Nuremberg Laws in 1935. Not to mention the Jews left in Germany proper when the war began were a very small fragment of the German population and certainly a small fragment of the Jews that would be rounded up and interned throughout the course of the war. Gun laws in Germany were effectively irrelevant to the ultimate outcome for the Jews and certainly were not used to oppress and control the native population.
So how does the author's premise apply to the bulk of the Jews who were subjugated and killed in the Holocaust who were not subject to the German gun laws whatsoever (i.e. foreign Jews)? The book sounds interesting in that it may provide some documented specifics regarding German laws during the period but its thesis appears to be rather dubious and hollow as far as I can observe.
Granted after Kristallnacht Jews were finally completely stripped of their rights to own firearms and other forms of weaponry, the rise to power of Hitler and the NSDAP had essentially nothing to do with them implementing stringent gun laws. They also greatly increased gun liberties for those deemed German citizens, which of course necessarily corresponded with their blood/race laws. In fact, Jews had been thoroughly stripped of any real power and influence in Germany by the Nuremberg Laws in 1935. Not to mention the Jews left in Germany proper when the war began were a very small fragment of the German population and certainly a small fragment of the Jews that would be rounded up and interned throughout the course of the war. Gun laws in Germany were effectively irrelevant to the ultimate outcome for the Jews and certainly were not used to oppress and control the native population.
So how does the author's premise apply to the bulk of the Jews who were subjugated and killed in the Holocaust who were not subject to the German gun laws whatsoever (i.e. foreign Jews)? The book sounds interesting in that it may provide some documented specifics regarding German laws during the period but its thesis appears to be rather dubious and hollow as far as I can observe.
Posted on 5/13/14 at 9:40 am to RollTide4Ever
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Students of history as well as Second Amendment enthusiasts will find this a fascinating book and will find parallels between gun prohibition in pre-Nazi and Nazi Germany, and attempts to prohibit types of gun ownership and implement other forms of gun prohibition in the United States today.
"pre-Nazi" Germany? That's like almost all of German history.
Guns were already illegal in Germany when the Nazis came to power. LINK
quote:Sounds like a true Constitution lover to me.
in ways not historically common
This post was edited on 5/13/14 at 9:41 am
Posted on 5/13/14 at 10:48 am to RollTide4Ever
Uganda
Vietnam
Cambodia
Russia
Korea
China
I could go on, even the Jim Crow U.S.
P&T said it best "gun control is bullshite"
Vietnam
Cambodia
Russia
Korea
China
I could go on, even the Jim Crow U.S.
P&T said it best "gun control is bullshite"
Posted on 5/13/14 at 10:18 pm to RollTide4Ever
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Gun Control in Nazi Germany
So was it JUST gun rights that Jews lost prior to the holocaust?
Really, you guys are nuts.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 6:16 pm to RollTide4Ever
Just found this.
How accurate is this? I believe it anyway as it lines up with their general views.
How accurate is this? I believe it anyway as it lines up with their general views.
Posted on 5/18/14 at 12:42 am to RollTide4Ever
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Second Amendment enthusiasts will find this a fascinating book
If they want to hear a story they already believe in anyway. Seems like a waste of time.
Britain and Japan have more restrictive gun control laws than Nazi Germany ever did but so far as I know neither is currently implicated in genocides.
Posted on 5/18/14 at 7:51 am to RollTide4Ever
Equating modern day gun control proposals with Nazi Germany's laws to oppress Jews is absurd fodder meant satisfy the paranoid delusions of gun fetishists.
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