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re: New Benghazi E-mail Akin to Discovery of Nixon Watergate Tapes
Posted on 5/2/14 at 1:18 pm to Pettifogger
Posted on 5/2/14 at 1:18 pm to Pettifogger
Got a serious news flash for you guys, politicians break rules and laws to protect their political lives; BOTH sides.
The American populace for the most part has lost the ability to be objective. Conservaitives think Obama is the antiChrist and liberals would follow him if he decided to invade hell. It's a shame that our political system has come to this.
One difference is the media itself. Back in the watergate days there were actually reporters with balls and would actually investigate rumors and hunches. Today, the media has been ruined by corporate interests and lap licking. Look at the Atkinson lady, she was basically forced to quit because CBS wouldn't back up any of her work when she had proof of her stories. MSNBC slobs his knob and Fox News hates his guts, unfortunately there's not much in between.
They (the power brokers) keep conservatives bickering with liberals about the Bundy and LA Clippers stories of the day all the while they are raping our country and don't give a damn about any of us.
Find me just ONE congressman or woman whose balance sheet was smaller than it was when they got there and tell me I'm wrong.
The American populace for the most part has lost the ability to be objective. Conservaitives think Obama is the antiChrist and liberals would follow him if he decided to invade hell. It's a shame that our political system has come to this.
One difference is the media itself. Back in the watergate days there were actually reporters with balls and would actually investigate rumors and hunches. Today, the media has been ruined by corporate interests and lap licking. Look at the Atkinson lady, she was basically forced to quit because CBS wouldn't back up any of her work when she had proof of her stories. MSNBC slobs his knob and Fox News hates his guts, unfortunately there's not much in between.
They (the power brokers) keep conservatives bickering with liberals about the Bundy and LA Clippers stories of the day all the while they are raping our country and don't give a damn about any of us.
Find me just ONE congressman or woman whose balance sheet was smaller than it was when they got there and tell me I'm wrong.
This post was edited on 5/2/14 at 1:19 pm
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Posted on 5/2/14 at 1:19 pm to Jimbeaux
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There are those in this thread who claim that the Benghazi affair is less serious that the Watergate break in because it's not a crime. They aren't referencing the perjury but the break in.
I haven't made the criminal distinction so I guess I'm not the target audience. As far as a general comparison between Watergate and Benghazi, I think the overall toll of Benghazi is obviously more serious. But I don't think we have any evidence to show that the administration's role in Benghazi exceeds or even compares to that of Watergate.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 1:21 pm to Jimbeaux
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There are those in this thread who claim that the Benghazi affair is less serious that the Watergate break in because it's not a crime. They aren't referencing the perjury but the break in.
he was named a co-conspirator in the break in by the grand jury. He wasnt formally indicted though for political reasons, and he certainly wasn't tried. He might not have been guilty but the grand jury certainly thought there was a good chance he was.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 1:24 pm to bamarep
But that acknowledgement of general dishonesty doesn't mean that a) it should be accepted with no consequence when discovered; and b) that all acts of dishonesty are equal.
Our defacto system relies on the media informing the public about the serious acts of deception on consequential matters. But what happens when the media is both derelict and horribly biased to one political persuasion?
Our defacto system relies on the media informing the public about the serious acts of deception on consequential matters. But what happens when the media is both derelict and horribly biased to one political persuasion?
Posted on 5/2/14 at 1:33 pm to Hawkeye95
You are simply obtuse. Nixon did not commit a B&E. The evidence suggests he was only aware of it after the fact and was charged with conspiracy because of his coverup.
None of that means JACK SQUAT. That's the point. Nixon's acts a president and cover up purjeror are what mattered. The B&E as an underlying act is not what makes the thing worse than Benghazi. In fact, it's not worse than Benghazi because the B&E is much less serious, though yes, a crime, than Obama's administration's lies a about a much more serious matter, constituting a much bigger breach of trust.
None of that means JACK SQUAT. That's the point. Nixon's acts a president and cover up purjeror are what mattered. The B&E as an underlying act is not what makes the thing worse than Benghazi. In fact, it's not worse than Benghazi because the B&E is much less serious, though yes, a crime, than Obama's administration's lies a about a much more serious matter, constituting a much bigger breach of trust.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 1:41 pm to Hawkeye95
Is the Nixon campaign's illegal and bumbling unsuccessful attempt to get dirt on the Democrats any less criminal than the Obama administration using private tax records from the IRS to discredit Mitt Romney by Democratic surrogate Harry Reid?
Posted on 5/2/14 at 1:51 pm to CptBengal
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well there you have it folks. Another example of the liberal brilliance at work. A reply filled with links, references, and logical thought out organized points of rebuttal.
You just cant see it because like obama's recovery...it's "transparent".
That a' way to overkill
Posted on 5/2/14 at 2:02 pm to L.A.
Since the title of the thread is about Krauthammer's mention of the Watergate tapes, everyone should keep in mind that 13 months passed between the Watergate break-in and Alexander Butterfield's "slip" about the White House taping system. "Watergate" was a long, drawn out process, extending for a total of 26 months from the break-in to the resignation. And since it really started with the publication of the Pentagon Papers, one could easily add another 12 months on to that.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 2:04 pm to L.A.
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So says Charles Krauthammer.
But Rex says it's a phoney scandal!
Posted on 5/2/14 at 2:08 pm to Hawkeye95
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he was named a co-conspirator in the break in by the grand jury. He wasnt formally indicted though for political reasons, and he certainly wasn't tried. He might not have been guilty but the grand jury certainly thought there was a good chance he was.
Obama might not have been born in Kenya, but there is a chance he was.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 2:55 pm to Hawkeye95
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He might not have been guilty but the grand jury certainly thought there was a good chance he was.
That isn't what a grand jury "decides". They determine merit of prosecution.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 4:12 pm to idlewatcher
Implicity in covering up a Murder, for Politics....Some people need to get their mouth off Obama's ^%$#.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 4:37 pm to L.A.
This new email should be a big deal (even if you believe that the entire Benghazi "story" is not) because Congress subpoenaed these kinds of records and the administration ". . . illegally [withheld] subpoenaed material" from Congress. Were it not for a judge ordering the release of this email as a result of a FOIA lawsuit, this email likely would have never seen the light of day. If the State Department cannot convince a federal judge that the email is covered by a FOIA exclusion, there is no (legal) reason the State Department should not have provided that same email to Congress, pursuant to a subpoena obligating them to turn it over and the President and Secretary Kerry's promise to "cooperate in any ways Congress wants."
If this email isn't a "big deal" and there is nothing left to uncover regarding Benghazi, why did the State Department fight the FOIA request? Why did they choose to (illegally) withhold it from Congress? The fact that they fought the release of this email logically tells us there is still more to this story that the administration does not want made public.
If this email isn't a "big deal" and there is nothing left to uncover regarding Benghazi, why did the State Department fight the FOIA request? Why did they choose to (illegally) withhold it from Congress? The fact that they fought the release of this email logically tells us there is still more to this story that the administration does not want made public.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 4:56 pm to Decatur
quote:Oh, yes.
Uh, no
What is not akin to Watergate is the lack of ONE SINGLE Person in the President's own party to put country before politics. Not one. Not one Democrat is willing to ask "What did the President know, and when did he know it?" They are currently faithfully occupied with important things like Nevada land grabs, putting lipstick on the Obamacare Pig, or handing out KKK hoods at northern GOP conventions.
Likewise for the press. Interestingly, the MSM is still referencing Benghazi as a "Fox Story". If this does break, as it might, the MSM's nonchalance will turn parties at FNC into the new Woodward-Bernstein-BenBradlee of journalism.
At this stage, it's a win or winreallybig situation for Fox or folks like Attkisson who covered the issue with integrity.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 5:19 pm to NC_Tigah
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Likewise for the press. Interestingly, the MSM is still referencing Benghazi as a "Fox Story".
Better sit down for this. At this very moment, there are Benghazi stories on the websites of CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC (!!!!!!!!!!!!), CNN, Reuters and Al-Jazeera.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 5:20 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
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at these idiots who don't think Obama is far worse than Nixon. He has used his powers to go after his adversaries via the IRS. He and his comrades lied to the 4 families about their kids being killed because of a video, when they knew it was a terrorist act, ANY POS who lies to our soldiers family about the true cause of their death is a slime POS not worthy of office and a million times worse than Nixon, who only covered up a political break - in.
Nothing that Obama has done as POTUS is as abhorrent as what Nixon did before becoming Prez.
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President Johnson had at the time a habit of recording all of his phone conversations, and newly released tapes from 1968 detailed that the FBI had “bugged” the telephones of the South Vietnamese ambassador and of Anna Chennault, one of Nixon’s aides. Based on the tapes, says Taylor for the BBC, we learn that in the time leading up to the Paris Peace talks, “Chennault was despatched to the South Vietnamese embassy with a clear message: the South Vietnamese government should withdraw from the talks, refuse to deal with Johnson, and if Nixon was elected, they would get a much better deal.”
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Eventually, Nixon won by just 1 percent of the popular vote. “Once in office he escalated the war into Laos and Cambodia, with the loss of an additional 22,000 American lives, before finally settling for a peace agreement in 1973 that was within grasp in 1968,”
Read more: LINK
Additionally, nothing Obama has done in foreign policy is as dumb as what Reagan did with the Iran-Contra Fiasco or the murder of 299 American and French soldiers in Beirut in 1983. Obama has made a lot of mistakes and I disagree with a lot of his policies, but some of you folks need to take off your magnifying glasses.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 5:22 pm to League Champs
Are you serious? And the abbreviation for Ambassador is Amb, not Amd. Genius.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 5:49 pm to NHTIGER
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At this very moment, there are Benghazi stories on the websites of CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC (!!!!!!!!!!!!), CNN, Reuters and Al-Jazeera.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 5:50 pm to Mac
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This new email should be a big deal (even if you believe that the entire Benghazi "story" is not) because Congress subpoenaed these kinds of records and the administration
the alternative is that congress knew about the email and did not disclose it. Congress may be complicit in these deeds and only starts an investigation when prompted by other interests.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 5:52 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:How is that an alternative?
the alternative is that congress knew about the email and did not disclose it.
The Administration was unresponsive to a subpoena, regardless.
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