re: Zac Snyder to direct Justice league after Batman vs Superman

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just going to agree to disagree. it seems like you have a big problem with Superman in general.

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Naaaa not really. I already said my piece on MoS. I really liked a lot about the film, but the film is a mess. Good pieces, but they come together in terrible ways. Kind of like Iron Man 3....

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IM3 was way worse than IM2. pepper pots defeats the villain in the end with one blow with a pipe? really?

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IM3 wasn't about Iron Man. That was kind of the point that everyone missed. It was a risk that, although it paid off in the bank, people just didn't get. And that sucks. They got two things wrong: too much Pepper, so yes the end was a let down, and the Mandarin. Other than that the movie is quite good.

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nd tony has 100 fricking suits he waits to call upon until the end?

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Since the 90's, Iron Man has always had 100 suits, nothing new.

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yet hes struggling the whole movie? how "batman dossier" is that?

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They covered that in the film.

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how was MoS that bad?

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Read the rewatch thread, plenty of people cover it. Everything from the fight scenes and overdone destruction, to the misuse of great characters (Zod, JOr-El), the many deus ex machinas, the presence of Lois, etc. Most of it is mentioned in that thread. Which sucks, I really liked the tone overall, they just missed the mark on tension completely.

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Since the 90's, Iron Man has always had 100 suits, nothing new.

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right. not my issue. my issue is that he wait till the end and its a "oh btw i had all these on reserve." instead of trouncing through the snow in turmoil and letting his entire place get blown up.

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IM3 wasn't about Iron Man. That was kind of the point that everyone missed.

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so it was about pepper?

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right. not my issue. my issue is that he wait till the end and its a "oh btw i had all these on reserve." instead of trouncing through the snow in turmoil and letting his entire place get blown up.

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Because....

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so it was about pepper?

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No. It was about Stark. A vulnerable, misguided Stark.

Granted, they missed quite a few points to make that more clear. Shane Black over-directed himself in more than a few places, but it was still ok.

Like I said, it's much like MoS. It gets a lot of little pieces right, but it misses tying everything together well. Both are good movies with major flaws.

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Because....

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just because it is about "Stark," doesnt mean logic gets thrown out the window. he also cures this impossible disease in a 10 second summary. and wasnt one of the major things in the first iron man was that he was inoperable?

IM sequels shite all over the first one pretty good.

Let's go back to square one:

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idk how i really feel about it. I thought MoS was flawed but a great movie.

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Flawed but great doesn't really exist. If it has a flaw, maybe. But if it is a flawed film, it certainly isn't great.

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better than most of Marvels films.

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Ok this one is a matter of opinion mostly...

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Marvel was great at starting the universe. most of the sequels (minus winter solider) were terrible.

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Brown Bunny is terrible. Disaster Movie is terrible. Uwe Bolle films are terrible. Marvel films, not a single one has been terrible. Mediocre, maybe in a few cases, but not terrible.

And even if a single unit is less than stellar, what Marvel has done is pretty awesome for comic book fans. DC is being dumb by trying not to copy. They should take the blueprint and run with it.

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I described this in one of the many TDKR threads.

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honest question, why enter into a new discussion if your response is just going to be "i already talked about this in a previous thread."
how pretentious is that? we dont get an explanation in the actual thread thats being discussed. we have to go hunt for your otherwise mentioned response?

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honest question, why enter into a new discussion if your response is just going to be "i already talked about this in a previous thread."
how pretentious is that? we dont get an explanation in the actual thread thats being discussed. we have to go hunt for your otherwise mentioned response?

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Because RT and I have clashed on TDKR on a thousand occasions, I thought he would remember.

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you have to be a lawyer IRL. you constantly try to undermine and manipulate the opposing argument.

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?? No. I was just trying to go back to the initial post and kind of restart the argument we were getting sidetracked in the minutiae of IM 2 and 3 rather than talking about what's at stake. Wasn't trying to be manipulative. I enjoy our back and forths.

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completely disagree. star wars is extremely flawed and yet is viewed as great.

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Star Wars has "flaws," but I would never say extremely flawed. Explain?

Like I said, great films can have flaws, but they can't be "flawed films" if that makes sense.

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in entertainment you cant just mix and match. thats like asking which is better, a great comedy or a great drama? both extremely different. you base each on their perspective genre and realm.

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I wouldn't disagree.

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n Marvel movie terms, in the world and expectations they themselves created, they havent really lived up to their initial hype.

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This should be it's own thread because that's a strange one. If anything, they've exceeded expectations, especially when you get to Winter Soldier. How have they not done what they set out to do? Like I said, maybe it's own thread.

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completely agree. "i backed this up in a previous thread."

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same could be said for DCs animated movies

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I mean I agree, but it's not like those are popular. The quality is there though, they just don't amount to much.

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the companies clearly have better expertise in some areas, not all.

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Right, but Marvel has been able to extended its influence, successfully, outside of 13 year-old boys and 14-34 year old comic book geeks. That's what DC is missing. And it's the MCU that's done it.

Animated movies aren't going to pull in a general audience.

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So there's MoS, then BvS, then JL...

It seems like there's no structure either.

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It's as if WB openly decided NOT TO take Marvel's lead and roll the movies out the same way...as if doing so would lead them to be called derivative. The problem is, Marvel figured out the process for doing this perfectly, so choosing to go a different route was just unnecessary.

We could have gotten MoS, a new Batman, maybe a second MoS movie that introduced Diana, reboot of Green Lantern, etc.

I'm not one to shite on something before it's come out, but this seems so idiotic to rush this when there is so much at stake. And as a bigger fan of DC's heroes than Marvel's, this makes me sad... I was REALLY hoping for a spectacular DC run like Marvel has had, but given this route that seems unlikely. Hopefully they don't break the whole damn thing.