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re: Snowden and Putin really throwing it down on us now.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:52 am to Rohan2Reed
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:52 am to Rohan2Reed
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There were many other avenues he could have taken to expose the NSA spying apparatus.
No there aren't... You need to come live in the real world. He wouldn't have been protected by Whistle blower laws. He would have the same treatment that Manning had and been locked up without access to a lawyer for 3yrs.
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you're a fricking chump.
Says the guy who thinks the govt would have said "Oh, our bad... we will change that... Here Mr Snowden, please take the key to the city and a parade"
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Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:52 am to DanTiger
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If I was an alien looking down on Earth I would agree with you but I am an American and so the interests of this country are, by far, the most important thing to me. Internal problems will not be corrected by external forces. This will only hurt is.
Meh. The idea of America that I held when I was younger is no more. I honestly just don't really care about this bloated, bureaucratic state that has no love for us but then demands fealty based on some fairy tale of patriotism. To hell with the state by internal or external means.
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 10:53 am
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:53 am to Lsut81
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So you fault him for fleeing to one of the only countries that won't ship him back to the US where he would be black bagged?
We have no extradition with quite a few countries out there. Don't you think it strange he picks America's two biggest geopolitical foes (China and Russia) to hide behind?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:55 am to Jay Quest
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They do live here and that's why I value Mr. Snowden's revelations.
do you think there are plenty of ways to keep this a story without propping up putin so he can put us down? especially given his actual total lack of moral high ground on these issues?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:57 am to RollTide1987
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We have no extradition with quite a few countries out there. Don't you think it strange he picks America's two biggest geopolitical foes (China and Russia) to hide behind?
You realize that Honk Kong would have extradited him, that is why he fled to Russia? Russia was the easiest to get to and he knew about being able to stay in their airport indefinitely as he tried to find out his next move.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:57 am to Mo Jeaux
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Meh. The idea of America that I held when I was younger is no more. I honestly just don't really care about this bloated, bureaucratic state that has no love for us but then demands fealty based on some fairy tale of patriotism. To hell with the state by internal or external means.
Those comments lead me to believe you are young and have no children. I understand that we have numerous problems here but it is, undoubtedly, the best place to live in the world. You are more free here thn you would be anywhere else on this Earth. Surely you understand that wherever this bloated bureacracy goes you will go with it. Lifeis far to good for me to be willing to throw my wife and children on the burning pyre of idealism.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:58 am to Lsut81
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No there aren't... You need to come live in the real world. He wouldn't have been protected by Whistle blower laws. He would have the same treatment that Manning had and been locked up without access to a lawyer for 3yrs.
and yet serving a softball up to putin doesnt accomplish anything other than a slap for the sake of slapping.
if you can show a patriotic reason to do THIS id be surprised. i definitely see the arguments that leaking the info could be considered patriotic, but in this particular example, im not seeing it.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:58 am to NoSaint
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do you think there are plenty of ways to keep this a story without propping up putin so he can put us down?
I honestly don't care. America is its people not the government. Our government needs to be taken to task.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:59 am to Lsut81
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No there aren't... You need to come live in the real world. He wouldn't have been protected by Whistle blower laws. He would have the same treatment that Manning had and been locked up without access to a lawyer for 3yrs.
Good. As should any who is guilty of treason. If he was truly motivated by some benevolent force to shed light on something that he thought was harming Americans he would have shown bravery and accepted the consequences. Instead he ran away like a little bitch to 2 communist countries that TRULY treat their citizens like fricking dogs and got with his anti-American friend Glenn and started working to do as much damage to the U.S. as they can. What he stole goes well beyond domestic spying .. which btw, has any of those revelations been found to be illegal yet?
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Says the guy who thinks the govt would have said "Oh, our bad... we will change that... Here Mr Snowden, please take the key to the city and a parade"
Link to where I said this? The government could slice his head off and I wouldn't care. He should want that too, right? The aggrandizing frick would probably love to be a martyr. He just doesn't have the balls to pay for his actions with his life.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:59 am to NoSaint
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if you can show a patriotic reason to do THIS id be surprised. i definitely see the arguments that leaking the info could be considered patriotic, but in this particular example, im not seeing it.
Did I defend what he is doing in Russia? No I didn't....
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:00 am to Rohan2Reed
quote:Hating what our government is becoming =/= hating America.
He hates America. Plain and simple
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:00 am to DanTiger
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You are an ex-agent. I used to have ties to intelligence."According to Reuters, Putin said Russia regulates communications as part of criminal probes, but "on a massive scale, on an uncontrolled scale we certainly do not allow this and I hope we will never allow it."Putin said authorities need consent from a court to conduct such surveillance on a specific individual, Reuters reported.
Putin then asked Snowden if he would like some polonium-enhanced Stevia to go with his tea.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:00 am to Mo Jeaux
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Meh. The idea of America that I held when I was younger is no more. I honestly just don't really care about this bloated, bureaucratic state that has no love for us but then demands fealty based on some fairy tale of patriotism. To hell with the state by internal or external means.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:02 am to NoSaint
quote:Oh. I don't think he had patriotic motivations to do it. It was a giant middle finger but, the finger is being flipped at the perps of the BS he exposed and the defenders of it. As well it should be really.
if you can show a patriotic reason to do THIS id be surprised.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:02 am to Rohan2Reed
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The government could slice his head off and I wouldn't care. He should want that too, right? The aggrandizing frick would probably love to be a martyr. He just doesn't have the balls to pay for his actions with his life.
Rabble Rabble Rabble... I'm a big badass... Rabble Rabble Rabble
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:02 am to Jay Quest
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I honestly don't care. America is its people not the government. Our government needs to be taken to task.
If only al qaeda was interested in attacking our government and not our people. People are defending a guy who basically handed over our CIA playbook to islamic terrorists.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:03 am to Lsut81
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Rabble Rabble Rabble... I'm a big badass... Rabble Rabble Rabble
Great argument.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:03 am to DanTiger
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Internal problems will not be corrected by external forces. This will only hurt is.
While I agree with you to a point sometimes it helps to have the government's credibility dragged through the mud. I think of it as a purging of the political bullshite in order to get back to the basic principles that matter.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:03 am to Mo Jeaux
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The idea of America that I held when I was younger is no more. I honestly just don't really care about this bloated, bureaucratic state that has no love for us but then demands fealty based on some fairy tale of patriotism. To hell with the state by internal or external means
Well stated.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:03 am to DanTiger
quote:I can't speak for him, but I'm not young and I do have children. When I was 25, I could probably have been rightfully said to be "America, frick yeah!!".
Those comments lead me to believe you are young and have no children.
Now? Not so much. I'm very impressed by what we COULD be but not terriby impressed by what we are and are becoming.
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