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re: Is it possible to be against gay marriage/homosexuality without being a bigot?
Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:00 pm to dcrews
Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:00 pm to dcrews
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On the one hand, I want the free market to run its course. On the other hand, the only reason a company would have to deal with someone who openly says they think homosexuality is wrong is because of intolerant individuals imposing their opinion on others to result in a negative consequence to someone who has a differing opinion.
If that's the nature of the market then businesses and businesspeople need to understand that.
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Why does anyone need to boycott a company that employs someone who believe homosexuality is immoral?
I wouldn't, but some people don't want their money supporting a company that would hire such a person. That's how they feel that they can send a message - with their pocketbooks. Surely this concept doesn't elude you.
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Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:21 pm to goldennugget
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I am not standing for it anymore. Anyone who calls me a bigot or homophobe for following scripture will no longer get away with it.
Meh. I don't ever hear you quoting scripture concerning all of the other "sins" in the Bible. Eating shellfish, wearing blended fabrics, getting a tattoo, stoning whores, etc.
If people call you a bigot then OWN IT. People on this board have called me a ****, fig, queer, cocksucker, and many other slurs. Do you think I give a rat's arse?
Quit being so sensitive.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:28 pm to DCRebel
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Surely this concept doesn't elude you.
Not at all. I understand the logic of your points. My point is, if you can accept the fact that people in life will have differing view than your own, then why the need for boycotting or protesting that someone be fire, fined, held accountable for a mere opinion (with no negative action towards any people or groups for which said opinion is about).
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If that's the nature of the market then businesses and businesspeople need to understand that.
Right. I'm arguing that society as a whole needs to stop being butthurt over opinions (religious or non religious) if those opinions or not yielding any negative action towards anyone.
If I'm a CEO of a company talking among a group of friends, and I happen to mention I think homosexuality is wrong, yet I believe everyone has the right to choose their own actions and lifestyle, and someone over hears me...that could potentially lead to media and social backlash and potential termination for simply having an opinion about it, yet still being tolerant.
I think in the above scenario, it makes people who want me fired/to resign, bigots and intolerant because they are taking action against me based on a non-violent, non-action taking opinion about something, which is what this entire thread is about.
Unfortunately our society has become one in which you are only allowed to have an opinion without repercussion if you are pro homosexuality, pro abortion, etc... and I believe that is wrong just as much as I think being hateful to gay people or pro abortionists is wrong.
This post was edited on 4/4/14 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:28 pm to Toddy
Go git em' Toddy. It's all coming out in the wash; the worms ain't picky. 
Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:29 pm to RCDfan1950
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Go git em' Toddy. It's all coming out in the wash; the worms ain't picky.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:29 pm to Toddy
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Meh. I don't ever hear you quoting scripture concerning all of the other "sins" in the Bible. Eating shellfish, wearing blended fabrics, getting a tattoo, stoning whores, etc.
If people call you a bigot then OWN IT. People on this board have called me a ****, fig, queer, cocksucker, and many other slurs. Do you think I give a rat's arse? Quit being so sensitive.
I believe he was being overly sarcastic as a result of the blatant disregard/denial of the double standard(s) that were being presented in counterarguments.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:37 pm to JazzyJeff
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spiritual health
I never considered someone's spiritual health. Tell me, how does one determine their spiritual health?
Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:37 pm to goldennugget
Not according to the liberal media, or the militant gay community.
Oh and by the way....you are a bigot for asking J/k
Oh and by the way....you are a bigot for asking J/k
Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:39 pm to dcrews
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That's an entirely different discussion. I think the OP's intent was to discuss the opposing opinions on homosexuality and whether or not those views warrant the title of bigot.
You brought it in to this conversation.....please explain.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:46 pm to Upperaltiger06
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What makes two consenting adults having sex immoral?
Not immoral, just disgusting.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:47 pm to JazzyJeff
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Because it is reality. It's insulting to my intelligence for me to have to tiptoe in conversation around people's silly beliefs about a jealous, judgemental god (in this case the Christian one, but any for that matter).
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You have a very gross, misinformed understanding of God. And it's Christians who must guard their speech or be castigated as haters, bigots, ad nauseam.
Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God. Exodus 34:14
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A very subjective, narrow minded point of view, but thanks for sharing!
Narrow minded? You mean like taking a collection of texts that are between 2000-1700 years old literal? Texts that mention unicorns, demons, angels, people being raised from the dead, water being turned to wine, walking on water, spreading ocean, talking serpents......do I need to go on? Do any of those things ring true to your personal experiences in the natural world? I take it back.....you are extremely open minded to believe all that to be true.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:48 pm to Vols&Shaft83
You ever seen a hetero couple with a disgusting broad? Should her attractiveness have any bearing on their right to be married?
This post was edited on 4/4/14 at 8:49 pm
Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:49 pm to Upperaltiger06
Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:49 pm to Upperaltiger06
Why is anything immoral? Murder, rape, stealing, etc... I'm not personally equating homosexuality to those things, but as far as most religions are concerned, the above listed acts do not conform to their accepted moral standards (I'd argue that the first three listed don't conform to most of our accepted moral standards). This is probably why most religions deem homosexuality as immoral.
Even still, I believe one can think of homosexuality as immoral yet still contend that it's an individuals right to choose how they want to live their life.
Even still, I believe one can think of homosexuality as immoral yet still contend that it's an individuals right to choose how they want to live their life.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:49 pm to Upperaltiger06
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You brought it in to this conversation.....please explain.
You are over simplifying what is really going on, and why it bothers some people.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:50 pm to JazzyJeff
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quote: Is their anyone posting in this topic who has an objection to gay marriage other than a religious one? Would it matter? But the primary reasons for my disapproval are non-religious.
Please list your reasons.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:54 pm to Upperaltiger06
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You ever seen a hetero couple with a disgusting broad? Should her attractiveness have any bearing on their right to be married?
Depends. Is she a wealthy broad? Because ugly poors shouldn't be allowed to marry other poors and make more ugly little poors.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:56 pm to Robin Masters
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11 things the bible bans that you do anyway
Not to get off topic, but out of those 11, only 2 are New Testament. I could get into how the old and new testament differ, but that'd lead to more off topic discussion and quite frankly, I don't think there's any headway to be made on either front by having that discussion here.
Of those 2 points, divorce is something that I've seen not only Christians, but non-Christians try to adhere to.
The second concerning wearing gold, pearls etc...addresses dressing modestly and not being revealing with your body as to avoid lustful acts (or least that's how I interpret it).
Furthermore, I Timothy was a letter written by Paul to Timothy (a young spiritual leader at the time). While Paul had some very good moral virtues to live by, in my mind, it's no different than a pastor today preaching very good points on morality, but maybe overstepping on some points (as he is human after all).
But again, that's just how I read it. Take it how you want it.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:58 pm to dcrews
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Murder, rape, stealing, etc.
Consent would be one thing that differentiates these from consensual sex.
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Even still, I believe one can think of homosexuality as immoral yet still contend that it's an individuals right to choose how they want to live their life.
Should you have a say in their relationship? Should there be a difference in the benefits awarded to their relationship by a supposedly non discriminate government?
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Murder, rape, stealing,
Funny. The Christian god murdered the people of Sodom and Gomorrah, but spared the guy who gave up his daughters for rape by the town's people.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:59 pm to goldennugget
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This is how I feel. I don't care if you are gay. I am not going to try to convert you away from it or anything. On the flipside I don't think you should try to impose it on kids and schools and bring it into education cirriculums. It shouldn't be promoted as normal behavior.
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