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re: Missouri Bill Would Warn Parents of Evolution Boogeyman
Posted on 2/22/14 at 3:40 pm to mattloc
Posted on 2/22/14 at 3:40 pm to mattloc
You really spend a lot of time on AiG pasting things you think sound great.
Orphan genes are relatively new to intense research but are in no way a problem.
Now. Answer my question.
Orphan genes are relatively new to intense research but are in no way a problem.
Now. Answer my question.
Posted on 2/22/14 at 3:41 pm to mattloc
quote:A pertinent note though -- our genome mapping across species is in its infancy.
Orphan genes are protein-coding genes that appear in a single species
This post was edited on 2/22/14 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 2/22/14 at 3:43 pm to mattloc
quote:
These orphan genes are also being found to be particularly important for specific biological adaptations that correspond with ecological niches in relation to the creature's interaction with its environment. The problem for the evolutionary model of animal origins is the fact that these DNA sequences appear suddenly and fully functional without any trace of evolutionary ancestry
Im laughing at you because orphan genes are EXACTLY what we would expect to see under evolutionary theory and are profound evidence FOR evolution.
If orphan genes didnt exist, evolution could not occur. Only those with poor understanding and an agenda try and contort them to be evidence against it.
This post was edited on 2/22/14 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 2/22/14 at 3:45 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:Total bullshite.
If orphan genes didnt exist, evolution could not occur.
Regardless, the same observation applies.
Our genome mapping across species is in its infancy
Posted on 2/22/14 at 3:54 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Total bullshite.
Your lack of understanding is staggering.
If the only way new genetic information could be added was through mutation of existing functional genes, evolution could not occur. It is only in combination with gene duplication and subsequent mutation in those genes (which is how orphan genes are created) that mutations allow for evolution to be possible.
It goes like this: Species A has a gene it requires for function which is then duplicated by complex molecular processes in a sect of that species in the process of speciation. That sect then has "more" genetic info not present in Species A as a whole. The duplicated gene then mutates to become functional in a different way apart from the original gene and serves a purpose in the subsect of species A. Things like this happen many times over many generations until we have a new species B unable to breed anymore with A. Upon genetic analysis, the now functional gene that was originally a duplication product is not present in Species A or any other species and would often be impossible to connect to Species A because of extensive mutation. In the process of other species evolving from B, this mutation is lost or rendered nonfunctional and is not present in species which speciate from it.
The same process can occur without duplication and merely the mutation of existing nonfunctional genes.
Every species on the planet has at least a few unique genes because of this.
This post was edited on 2/22/14 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 2/22/14 at 3:54 pm to Roger Klarvin
Glad you figured it out for them.....guess they can just shut the study down , its good to know evolution can spontaneously occur, resulting in completely new species.
Fun .....youll have to wait for the book.....right now lets just finish off your mistaken views and misconceptions
Fun .....youll have to wait for the book.....right now lets just finish off your mistaken views and misconceptions
Posted on 2/22/14 at 3:55 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:The commonly accepted model of evolution is based on duplication, rearrangement, and mutation of genes with the idea of common descent, IAW with lineage-specific genes.quote:Nope
If orphan genes didnt exist, evolution could not occur.
Total bullshite.
Translation:
Evolution absolutely could occur (and almost certainly has) independent of orphan genes.
Posted on 2/22/14 at 4:00 pm to NC_Tigah
Orphan genes are the result of duplication and mutation. They are unique to species because they exist in entirely different states, or in the case of duplication not at all, than in the ancestor species.
They are so different that we cannot link them to any genes in other species, but that doesnt mean they just appeared out of thin air.
They are so different that we cannot link them to any genes in other species, but that doesnt mean they just appeared out of thin air.
Posted on 2/22/14 at 4:02 pm to mattloc
You have a woefully simplistic view of evolution that believes everything is in a nice neat box and anything outside of your view oft hat box is evidence against evolution.
You dont understand what orphan genes even are.
You dont understand what orphan genes even are.
Posted on 2/22/14 at 4:03 pm to Roger Klarvin
Your analysis fails in that these genes have no evolutionary homology or kinship to genes from other lineages. How did they arise? is the central question. Also called “taxonomically restricted genes” your attempt to confuse the issue with your simplistic erroneous examples is laughable
Posted on 2/22/14 at 4:04 pm to Roger Klarvin
Anyway, someone else is gonna have to take over here because Ive got shite to do this afternoon.
Posted on 2/22/14 at 4:05 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:They are NOT REQUISITE for evolution.
They are so different that we cannot link them to any genes in other species, but that doesnt mean they just appeared out of thin air.
Posted on 2/22/14 at 4:05 pm to mattloc
quote:
How did they arise?
I literally just explained it in great detail.
This debate with serves no further purpose, you clearly have no interest in acquiring knowledge.
Posted on 2/22/14 at 4:06 pm to NC_Tigah
They are the very essence of evolutionary creation
See ya'll later
See ya'll later
Posted on 2/22/14 at 4:21 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:
I literally just explained it in great detail. This debate with serves no further purpose, you clearly have no interest in acquiring knowledge.
Nice work, it's nice to see someone refuting magic who actually knows what he is talking about.
Posted on 2/22/14 at 4:22 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:I am not understanding of folks who intimate they know things they actually don't. Especially when that intimation involves science.
Your lack of understanding is staggering.
Divergent Evolutionary and Expression Patterns between Lineage Specific New Duplicate Genes and Their Parental Paralogs in Arabidopsis thaliana
Posted on 2/22/14 at 5:05 pm to asurob1
if you had any understanding of the issue, you would know this topic is the subject of an intense debate within the scientific community... I don't pretend to understand it... . but I understand enough to know that Rogers example was nothing more than gibberish and does not address the de Novo aspect, or sudden appearance, of new genes
This post was edited on 2/22/14 at 7:24 pm
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