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Posted on 1/28/14 at 8:33 am to Scruffy
And, yes, this was resolved. The courts demanded she be removed from life support. This story is dead.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 8:35 am to LSUGrrrl
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And, yes, this was resolved. The courts demanded she be removed from life support. This story is dead.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:06 am to SpidermanTUba
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Keeping a dead woman on life support
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The dead know only one thing: it is better to be alive.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:07 am to LSUMJ
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Not even u can be dumb think she would be literally decaying on life support and to think the "smell of death" wasnt a metaphor
She is decaying ,but the ventillator is only slowing the process. Their is no ' life' to support she is dead.
Here is what Jani Mcmath(13 year old dead girl on ventillator from Oakland) pediatrician Dr. Heidi Fiori says about the dead girl's decaying body:
"The deterioration became inevitable the moment she DIED. Additional & more dramatic signs of the body's deterioration will continue........Mechanical support & other measures taken to maintain the ILLUSION of life where NONE exists cannot maintain that ILUSION indefinitely."
The article also states without getting too graphic that "the tissues under her skin were losing their elatisicity & her muscles were contracting." Also that 'blankets were needed to maintain a constant temperature'.
'Blankets were needed to maintain a constant temperature'. Or blankets were needed to maintain a decaying corpse which is turning COLD in it's bed , but not for artificially regulating her temperature.
Jani Mcmath (not to be gruesome) is a slowly decaying corpse which is turning COLD just as the pregnant Texas mother with the abnormal fetus that the abortion nuts want to experiment with.
Unless the doctors horribly misdiagnosed these patients they are dead & it is grotesque that fetus obssessed whackjobs think it is okay to maintain a corpse to harvest a fetus(against the mother , husband & family's wishes).
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:16 am to sugar71
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it is grotesque that fetus obssessed whackjobs think it is okay to maintain a corpse to harvest a fetus(
I don't know why you call them "obssessed whackjobs"? If it was my wife and child I would do everything possible to see that the child lived. She is dead nothing is gonna change that but there is a possibility of the baby living why not try? This has been done before.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:21 am to germandawg
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You have to have the mental accumen of a 4 year old, one who is not very bright, to subscribe to the current brand of conservatism in the UNited States....
Dear Mister Genius: you misspelled "acumen" during your ridiculous and vapid non sequitur. In fact, you are a living non sequitur, but, at least you have that in common with Spidey.
PS But I give props to you and spidy for including content in your posting. tiger in the aTL can't manage to even include content.
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This post was edited on 1/28/14 at 9:49 am
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:29 am to asurob1
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It wasn't tough at all.
Everyone but the small texas guvment wanted the mom to be allowed to be buried so the father could start to grieve.
Typical
Anti
Abortionist.
Fetus before people.
And you are the typical let's forget about science kill the fetus at all cost arse.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:29 am to SpidermanTUba
Check back with the kid in a few years and see if he is okay with it.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:32 am to sugar71
quote:Would it be beautiful if the family wanted to keep her on life support to "harvest" the fetus? Would it not be grotesque if the mother stated she wanted that?
it is grotesque that fetus obssessed whackjobs think it is okay to maintain a corpse to harvest a fetus
Which part is grotesque?
This post was edited on 1/28/14 at 9:33 am
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:35 am to Ace Midnight
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Check back with the kid in a few years and see if he is okay with it.
Why are you still posting as if she wasn't already ordered to be disconnected? The kid won't be here in a few years.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:41 am to sugar71
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She is decaying ,but the ventillator is only slowing the process. Their is no ' life' to support she is dead.
Here is what Jani Mcmath(13 year old dead girl on ventillator from Oakland) pediatrician Dr. Heidi Fiori says about the dead girl's decaying body:
"The deterioration became inevitable the moment she DIED. Additional & more dramatic signs of the body's deterioration will continue........Mechanical support & other measures taken to maintain the ILLUSION of life where NONE exists cannot maintain that ILUSION indefinitely."
The article also states without getting too graphic that "the tissues under her skin were losing their elatisicity & her muscles were contracting." Also that 'blankets were needed to maintain a constant temperature'.
'Blankets were needed to maintain a constant temperature'. Or blankets were needed to maintain a decaying corpse which is turning COLD in it's bed , but not for artificially regulating her temperature.
Jani Mcmath (not to be gruesome) is a slowly decaying corpse which is turning COLD just as the pregnant Texas mother with the abnormal fetus that the abortion nuts want to experiment with.
I hate to tell you, but that dr was speaking metaphorically. Sometimes they choose their words to communicate the fact that what is considered dead can be accepted by some of the religious crazies.
The brain dead person is not decaying. It would be better to state that the person is atrophying. Muscles not used waste away. They do not decay, they atrophy. The tendons and ligaments to contract over times if they are not used. This is why people in comas get physical therapy where their limbs are moved through range of motion exercises.
Obviously since there are catheters in place and they are intubated, the risk for infections from these things go up dramatically. UTIs and pneumonia are always a threat. The brain that was killed atrophies to next to nothing.
But the body is alive. So I don't think you understand fully. It gives the illusion of life in that the person looks like they are sleeping. But the brain can be dead. Heck, the higher brain can be dead with the persons brain stem still surviving and they can breathe on their own and their heart can still beat but they are dead.
Our concept of death has changed obviously since back in the day.
So yes, the skin can lose its elasticity and the muscles contract and atrophy from wasting away because they are not being used. They are not decaying though. That happens when the actual tissue dies. That is not happening. The person is dead, but the heart is still beating, the lungs still getting oxygen, the kidneys are still filtering, liver still functioning.
There is trouble regulating temperature because muscles waste away and the brain functions used to thermoregulate are gone.
So, this person who s dead, their body is being kept artificially alive. And yes, organs can be harvested from these people weeks later.
This was not a decaying corpse. The body was not turning cold.
The body was artificially being kept alive. But she was dead.
Now I agree what was done in this particular case was ridiculous. But there are crazy laws on the books that sometimes put hospitals in strange spots. The woman should have been taken off of life support long ago.
However to say stupid things like the title or the above saying the woman was decaying is stupid and actually weakens the obvious point that this woman should have been take off live support long ago.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:41 am to LSUGrrrl
I was about to ask, isn't this the case that was resolved (correctly) by the court last week?
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:44 am to VOR
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I was about to ask, isn't this the case that was resolved (correctly) by the court last week?
Yes.
And, it is a travesty that it went beyond the personal sphere of those involved.
The DNR and the husband's wishes should have been respected and this should have ended as it did...only without any of us asshats knowing / pontificating on it.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:47 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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The DNR and the husband's wishes should have been respected and this should have ended as it did...only without any of us asshats knowing / pontificating on it.
absolutely true.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:48 am to offshoretrash
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don't know why you call them "obssessed whackjobs"? If it was my wife and child I would do everything possible to see that the child lived. She is dead nothing is gonna change that but there is a possibility of the baby living why not try? This has been done before.
So you'd be willing to spend six figures or more to care for a baby so deformed now that they can't tell what sex it is and there is water on the brain? All in the name of "trying" to keep a deformed retarded child alive? Personally I wouldn't let my dog suffer like that.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:51 am to asurob1
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Fetus before people.
The person is dead, and not because anyone put the fetus first.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:11 am to asurob1
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And everything to do what the dead mom and her husband wanted.
But then again, you don't care about either of them.
Wrong. I actually do care about them, but you're just being a hack job.
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Every sperm is precious.
You know I don't protect sperm.
Furthermore, I believe the decision by this hospital should have been allowing the natural death of the fetus. I believe the fetus is a person though, so when it's healthy and won't have to stay in the mom's cadaver too long before they can try to save it, I think the fetus should be treated as a patient and we should use our technology to try to save its life.
Then again, this is an extraordinary scenario that is unique from all other scenarios.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:48 am to SpidermanTUba
Germans and this was resolved by a court last week.
This should've ended a long time ago. This fetus was not viable at all at 14 weeks and that's where the law fricked up with no viability stipulations requiring a brain dead woman to bring the fetus to term. The gov't was insane to go through with this and force the possibility of the child being born completely deformed and living a very short and brutal life if it managed to make it that far. There are people who want to bring a fetus up to viability all the way from 14 weeks and be perfectly fine with or ignorant of the baby being completely deformed and living a very short and painful life. That's sick, creepy and inhumane.
This isn't a pro-life or abortion issue. It's no different than a miscarriage.
This should've ended a long time ago. This fetus was not viable at all at 14 weeks and that's where the law fricked up with no viability stipulations requiring a brain dead woman to bring the fetus to term. The gov't was insane to go through with this and force the possibility of the child being born completely deformed and living a very short and brutal life if it managed to make it that far. There are people who want to bring a fetus up to viability all the way from 14 weeks and be perfectly fine with or ignorant of the baby being completely deformed and living a very short and painful life. That's sick, creepy and inhumane.
This isn't a pro-life or abortion issue. It's no different than a miscarriage.
This post was edited on 1/28/14 at 11:54 am
Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:53 am to Vegas Bengal
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Personally I wouldn't let my dog suffer like that.
Euthanizing retarded people is likely not a winning position.
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