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re: ACLU alleges comically unconstitutional religious harassment in rural Louisiana

Posted on 1/27/14 at 9:01 am to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124697 posts
Posted on 1/27/14 at 9:01 am to
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Nothing is more stupid than saying open discrimination on the basis of religion should be allowed
Your bullshite extrapolation included NOTHING regarding discrimination. The OP absolutely does. Your post does not. In fact by extension, your post implies satisfaction with reverse discrimination.
Posted by Layabout
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2011
11082 posts
Posted on 1/27/14 at 9:44 am to
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At least Louisiana has their shite together in terms of fiscal matters. The great states of NJ, CA, NY, IL and CT are about to go bankrupt or get a bailout.

Thank god Jindal found enough one-time money from FEMA and the Katrina sales tax bump and raiding the state's rainy day fund to keep the leaky ship afloat just long enough to keep his presidential aspirations alive. Pity the next governor.
Posted by carbola
Bloomington, IN
Member since Aug 2010
4308 posts
Posted on 1/27/14 at 10:00 am to
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The good news is that you guys are higher ranked than Mississippi in education.

The bad news is that Louisiana is only ranked above Mississip





LINK

This places us 46th

LINK
And this one 49th (includes DC)(and actually Mississippi beats us on this one)


As for the rest of what you posted, if it's true it's bad and I'm glad something is being done about it.
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48360 posts
Posted on 1/27/14 at 10:07 am to
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Sabine Parish superintendent Sara Ebarb allegedly responded by suggesting that the kid either “change” his religious beliefs or enroll in a school some 25 miles down the road where “there are more Asians,”


$100 says she describes herself as a "small government, conservative."
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
58408 posts
Posted on 1/27/14 at 10:14 am to
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$100 says she describes herself as a "small government, conservative."



Yes. It's a good thing we don't have liberal mayors of big cities saying silly things like we don't have room for pro choice and conservative types.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124697 posts
Posted on 1/27/14 at 10:16 am to
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LINK

This places us 46th

LINK
And this one 49th (includes DC)(and actually Mississippi beats us on this one)
I had never taken the time to look at how these rankings are determined. Just assumed it was based on comparative performance, ACT/SAT scores.

Finally looked at the methodology.
quote:

A three-step process determined the Best High Schools. The first two steps ensured that the schools serve all of their students well, using performance on state proficiency tests as the benchmarks. For those schools that made it past the first two steps, a third step assessed the degree to which schools prepare students for college-level work.

• Step 1: The first step determined whether each school's students were performing better than statistically expected for the average student in the state. We started by looking at reading and math results for all students on each state's high school proficiency tests.

We then factored in the percentage of economically disadvantaged students (who tend to score lower) enrolled at the school to identify the schools that were performing better than statistical expectations.

• Step 2: For those schools that made it past this first step, the second step determined whether the school's least-advantaged students (black, Hispanic and low-income) were performing better than average for similar students in the state.

We compared each school's math and reading proficiency rates for disadvantaged students with the statewide results for these student groups and then selected schools that were performing better than this state average.

• Step 3: Schools that made it through the first two steps became eligible to be judged nationally on the final step – college-readiness performance – using Advanced Placement or International Baccalaureate test data as the benchmarks for success, depending on which program was largest at the school.

AP is a College Board program that offers college-level courses at high schools across the country. The International Baccalaureate program also offers a college-level curriculum.

This third step measured which schools produced the best college-level achievement for the highest percentages of their students. This was done by computing a "college readiness index" (CRI) based on the school's AP or IB participation rate (the number of 12th-grade students in the 2010-2011 academic year who took at least one AP or IB test before or during their senior year, divided by the number of 12th-graders) and how well the students did on those tests.

The latter part, called the quality-adjusted AP or IB participation rate, is the number of 12th-grade students in the 2010-2011 academic year who took and passed (received an AP score of 3 or higher or an IB score of 4 or higher) at least one of the tests before or during their senior year, divided by the number of 12th-graders at that school. Any individual AP or IB subject test was considered when determining if a student took or passed at least one test.

For the college readiness index, the quality-adjusted participation rate was weighted 75 percent in the calculation, and the simple AP or IB participation rate was weighted 25 percent. The test that was taken by the most students at a particular school – either AP or IB – was used to calculate that school's college readiness index.

Only schools that had values at or above 14.8 in their CRI scored high enough to meet the criteria for gold and silver medal selection. The minimum of 14.8 was used because it's the median (the statistical midpoint) of all the college readiness index values among all high schools with AP or IB test-takers.

The maximum college readiness index value is 100.0, which means that every 12th-grade student during the 2010-2011 academic year in a particular school took and passed at least one AP or IB test before or during their senior year.
How about that!
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48360 posts
Posted on 1/27/14 at 10:16 am to
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Yes. It's a good thing we don't have liberal mayors of big cities saying silly things like we don't have room for pro choice and conservative types.


You're building strawmen faster than normal.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
425838 posts
Posted on 1/27/14 at 10:19 am to
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It's a good thing we don't have liberal mayors of big cities saying silly things like we don't have room for pro choice and conservative types.

they were mocked, too

AM's point was the hypocrisy..."small government" means small government, both in our pocket books, churches, and bedrooms
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
58408 posts
Posted on 1/27/14 at 10:25 am to
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You're building strawmen faster than normal.


It's not about a straw man. It's to show that both sides have extremist that make foolish statements. We have no proof that this person claims to be small gov. anyway.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124697 posts
Posted on 1/27/14 at 10:44 am to
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It's to show that both sides have extremist that make foolish statements.
If ACLU accusations in the OP are actually factual (something I tend to doubt), then this went FAR BEYOND an extremist making foolish statements. This was a case of adults repeatedly harassing, ridiculing, and belittling a child in front of classmates over that child's religion. That is unacceptable.

It does not matter what others, on the other side, in other circumstances may or may not have done. Zero relevance. This situation stands on its own.

If ACLU accusations in the OP are actually factual, then this school should get its hide tanned, and the adult parties involved should be fired. If true, this is a wholly unacceptable situation.
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 1/27/14 at 10:51 am to
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At least Louisiana has their shite together in terms of fiscal matters. The great states of NJ, CA, NY, IL and CT are about to go bankrupt or get a bailout.

Thank god Jindal found enough one-time money from FEMA and the Katrina sales tax bump and raiding the state's rainy day fund to keep the leaky ship afloat just long enough to keep his presidential aspirations alive. Pity the next governor.

LA state debt per capita is $4045k, California is $3990.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124697 posts
Posted on 1/27/14 at 11:04 am to
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LA state debt per capita is $4045k, California is $3990.

FWIW, where your California # looks about right, $4045 is 2.5 X Louisiana debt/capita as reported on most sites.
Where are you getting the $4045 number?


ETA: State debt per capita


This post was edited on 1/27/14 at 11:15 am
Posted by GeeOH
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2013
13376 posts
Posted on 1/27/14 at 11:10 am to
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So, you see no problem with the Jesus speak in a public school?



NO! My kid does however go to a private school where they worship and praise GOD every single day. And she will be a better person than those that let their child be silenced every day of their lives.

I know this was teachers referenced, but the same happens to a child that says Jesus or God.

We worship and support God, America, it's flag, its vetrans, and it's Constitution inside and outside of this house!

This country was a better place when schools did this as well.
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 1/27/14 at 11:12 am to
Posted by GeeOH
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2013
13376 posts
Posted on 1/27/14 at 11:12 am to
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It is your job as a parent to instill your belief in God in YOUR kids. It's not the states job.


It's not the states job to SILENCE their beliefs either! Learn the difference.
Posted by Bear Is Dead
Monroe
Member since Nov 2007
4696 posts
Posted on 1/27/14 at 11:15 am to
I think the bigger crime is that these kids haven't been taught how to fit pipes or weld. A big % of those kids will be either unemployed or underemployed.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124697 posts
Posted on 1/27/14 at 11:35 am to
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Hawkeye95
Wow, when these sites differ over 100% in their state debt assessments, and even more than that in terms of some intrastate comparisons, it speaks to the veracity of any of these numbers.


This post was edited on 1/27/14 at 11:36 am
Posted by Layabout
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2011
11082 posts
Posted on 1/27/14 at 11:47 am to
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Wow, when these sites differ over 100% in their state debt assessments, and even more than that in terms of some intrastate comparisons, it speaks to the veracity of any of these numbers.



The first map apparently includes unfunded pension liabilities while the second one tabulates them separately.
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 1/27/14 at 11:49 am to
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Wow, when these sites differ over 100% in their state debt assessments, and even more than that in terms of some intrastate comparisons, it speaks to the veracity of any of these numbers.


well yes, but this site is relatively close to that number.

LINK

Says debt for the state is 19.4B, divide that by ~4.6M and you get $4200 per resident.

maybe one excludes pensions or something?
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 1/27/14 at 11:50 am to
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If ACLU accusations in the OP are actually factual (something I tend to doubt), then this went FAR BEYOND an extremist making foolish statements. This was a case of adults repeatedly harassing, ridiculing, and belittling a child in front of classmates over that child's religion. That is unacceptable.

It does not matter what others, on the other side, in other circumstances may or may not have done. Zero relevance. This situation stands on its own.

If ACLU accusations in the OP are actually factual, then this school should get its hide tanned, and the adult parties involved should be fired. If true, this is a wholly unacceptable situation.


Correct.

If true, I hope the school is publicly shamed, adult parties fired and their names published and the school board issue a public apology and pay a reparation if it'sneeded.

I can't believe that there are still schools that put themselves in this position. They're just asking for trouble from sue happy people and lawsuit chasers.
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