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re: Serious Question: No hyperbole please....
Posted on 1/25/14 at 9:38 am to Jim Ignatowski
Posted on 1/25/14 at 9:38 am to Jim Ignatowski
It seems like more of the people in his administration are interested in advancing their predetermined agendas than in dealing with the problems we have. They came into power with an agenda of transforming the nation - universal healthcare, open borders, gay marriage, etc... They don't seem to have much interest in the day to day issues like the economy and foreign policy. They seem to leave those things on autopilot while they focus on their agenda.
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Posted on 1/25/14 at 9:38 am to sammyptiger
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Vacations bruh. Bush racked up more than anyone else, and still owns that record.
You'd have to count the trips to Crawford as bona fide vacations for that to be accurate.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 9:39 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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Armed Mexican drug cartels
Because they didn't have arms before.
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Using the IRS against his political enemies
Not involved.
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Taking down the health insurance industry
This is so absurd, I thought you were joking. He actually colluded with the insurance industry to create this mess. Now if you had said, "Colluded with the health insurance industry to bring down the health care industry", you may have had a point.
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Put record numbers of Americans on the government dole, and is "improving" this number every day
Really? You blame Obama for the economic collapse the year before he took office?
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Supreme Court nomination
Uh, part of his job is to nominate SC justices.
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Manipulating congress to pass his signature legislation
Fixed.
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he had to lie about his intentions.
Can you name me the last president that didn't?
I realize this is a total troll thread, but I just thought I'd kick in a bit.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 9:41 am to Holden Caulfield
Yes and that would be accurate.
At the same point in Bush's presidency, the 43rd president had spent 367 days at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, and his parent's compound at Kennebunkport, Maine, according to a count by CBS News reporter Mark Knoller. Obama, who doesn't own a vacation home, has spent a total of 92 days of his presidency on vacation, according to Knoller.
The tradition of criticizing presidents for the choice of vacation spots and duration of their holiday is as old as the Republic itself.
At the same point in Bush's presidency, the 43rd president had spent 367 days at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, and his parent's compound at Kennebunkport, Maine, according to a count by CBS News reporter Mark Knoller. Obama, who doesn't own a vacation home, has spent a total of 92 days of his presidency on vacation, according to Knoller.
The tradition of criticizing presidents for the choice of vacation spots and duration of their holiday is as old as the Republic itself.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 9:43 am to sammyptiger
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Yes and that would be accurate.
I would have no problem with Obama returning to his Chicago home and carrying out his duties from there. I wouldn't consider it a vacation.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 9:43 am to Jax-Tiger
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It seems like more of the people in his administration are interested in advancing their predetermined agendas than in dealing with the problems we have. They came into power with an agenda of transforming the nation - universal healthcare, open borders, gay marriage, etc... They don't seem to have much interest in the day to day issues like the economy and foreign policy. They seem to leave those things on autopilot while they focus on their agenda.
Very thoughtful and IMHO completely accurate.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 9:48 am to Champagne
quote:How so? Obamas foreign policy is much better than what we have had in a long time. The economy is much improved since 2008.
Very thoughtful and IMHO completely accurate.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 9:49 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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WildTchoupitoulas
Posted on 1/25/14 at 9:54 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Because they didn't have arms before.
Apparently Obama and Co thought they needed more. He got them more. He succeeded. No hyperbole.
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Not involved.
Oh. That's right. He found out on the news after meeting with the head of the IRS dozens of times before the targeting started. How silly of me.
So he successfully had his team do it then rid him of blame. Good job!
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This is so absurd, I thought you were joking. He actually colluded with the insurance industry to create this mess. Now if you had said, "Colluded with the health insurance industry to bring down the health care industry", you may have had a point.
I made a general statement, and you appear to agree. Good. Sorry I didn't get into details. Thanks for the details.
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Really? You blame Obama for the economic collapse the year before he took office?
I don't, but he is successfully "avoiding" a fix. After nearly six years, you would hope another direction would be taken. Since another direction is not being taken, this tells me that Obama believes putting more people on the dole is the thing to do. Since that is the "right" thing in his mind, he is succeeding admirably!
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Uh, part of his job is to nominate SC justices.
I saw another POTUS have his nominations stopped, so...Success
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Fixed.
Sorry. Referring to changing the law after passing it. But you do bring up another valid point regarding the method for passing it.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:06 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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No hyperbole.
No, of course not. Never on this board.
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I made a general statement, and you appear to agree. Good. Sorry I didn't get into details
No, you made a completely false
statement, "Taking down the health insurance industry". The health insurance industry was in NO WAY taken down by this admin, as a point of fact, the health insurance industry is COMPLICIT in this fiasco.
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I don't, but he is successfully "avoiding" a fix. After nearly six years, you would hope another direction would be taken. Since another direction is not being taken, this tells me that Obama believes putting more people on the dole is the thing to do. Since that is the "right" thing in his mind, he is succeeding admirably!
Complete hack job ^
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I saw another POTUS have his nominations stopped, so...Success
And I saw another POTUS have his nominations confirmed, so...impass. I mean, c'mon, wtf? Is having a SCJ confirmed some sort of sign of the apocalypse? Should we never have another SCJ confirmed?
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Sorry
On this point we agree.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:08 am to EZE Tiger Fan
He evolved his opinion on gay marriage.
And that's really all I got. We left Iraq on a timeline that was set prior to Obama taking office, a timeline he tried to extend and was told to gtfo.
He got Bin Laden then couldn't wait to talk about it to the point where he got an operative JAILED. Think about that. Obama has been the result of more of our operatives being exposed than Manning and Snowden COMBINED.
He seems to put on clown shoes for every foreign policy showdown with Putin. I'm not a fan of Obama but I sure as shite don't want my country's leader being clowned by an ex KGB crook.
And that's really all I got. We left Iraq on a timeline that was set prior to Obama taking office, a timeline he tried to extend and was told to gtfo.
He got Bin Laden then couldn't wait to talk about it to the point where he got an operative JAILED. Think about that. Obama has been the result of more of our operatives being exposed than Manning and Snowden COMBINED.
He seems to put on clown shoes for every foreign policy showdown with Putin. I'm not a fan of Obama but I sure as shite don't want my country's leader being clowned by an ex KGB crook.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:09 am to sammyptiger
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How so? Obamas foreign policy is much better than what we have had in a long time. The economy is much improved since 2008.
I'll leave it to others to demolish your conclusory statements that you present with no supporting analysis.
I can present my own conclusory statements in response to yours.
First, Obama's foreign policy is similar to the Bush foreign policy, except that Obama's foreign policy team is more like a bunch of college kids at the helm compared to the Bush team. Obama's whole outfit is amateur hour.
Second, Obama's policies converted a recession that should have lasted a couple of years into a permanent state of economic decline. The "recovery" is lie. There has been no true recovery, and there won't be a true recovery, so long as the US electorate continues to vote the reins of power into Democrat hands.
This post was edited on 1/25/14 at 10:13 am
Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:25 am to Champagne
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Obama's foreign policy is similar to the Bush foreign policy
WTF?
If they were similar, Obama would not have caught OBL, and he would have invaded Libya and Syria with ground forces.
I'll never understand how Bush was lauded for occupying Iraq, yet Obama was vilified for overthrowing Ghadafi without putting boots on the ground - except to say it reeks of hypocrisy.
This thread is all kinds of awesome.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:32 am to Rex
quote:Instead of trying to speculate on where he gets his news, why not answer his question?
Anybody want to venture a guess about from where Jim Ignorantowski gets his news?
Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:35 am to Champagne
quote:Im just listing facts. Obviously, anyone can post their opinion.
I'll leave it to others to demolish your conclusory statements that you present with no supporting analysis.
Syria is giving up its chemical weapons without a shot fired.
His sanctions program against Iran brought them to the negotiating table-without a shot fired.
Ended our occupation of Iraq, and is reducing worldwide military footprint.
Got Bin Laden-something his predecessor failed to do.
His Republican Secretary of Defense wrote that "He thought Obama was absolutely right in every one of his decisions regarding Afghanistan." That's quite a statement.
Helped the country recover from the 2008 recession-stock market is vastly higher than when he took office, housing market is better than when he took office, unemployment is much lower than when he took office.
Failures:
The Obamacare rollout was a complete disaster. He spent all this political capital on the law, and then completely fumbled it. He lied to the public about Obamacare "you can keep your plan"-not true-and so far it is not reducing healthcare costs-something he also said would happen.
The economic recovery has been the slowest in history. 6 years after 2008, and the economy is still wobbly.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:40 am to sammyptiger
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unemployment is much lower than when he took office.
labor participation?
Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:44 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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If they were similar, Obama would not have caught OBL, and he would have invaded Libya and Syria with ground forces.
It's going to be tough to unravel your Gordian Knot of Ignorance here, but, I'll give it a hip-shot.
OBL's pursuit was an intelligence and military operation that was open-ended and began on the date of 11 September 2001. Both Bush and Obama continued that open-ended operation.
Your ignorant insinuation is that Bush halted that operation, which is patently false and completely wrong.
With regard to your conclusions that Bush would have invaded Syria and Libya with ground forces: your Bush Derangement Syndrome is showing. Your conclusions are based on nothing more than your own delusional speculation . . . and you forgot to add "and Bush would have invaded Iran with ground forces by now".
Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:48 am to Champagne
quote:No but Obama greatly expanded it and reemphasized its importance.
Your ignorant insinuation is that Bush halted that operation, which is patently false and completely wrong.
The common theme in many of these posts is to assign blame to Obama for things that happened under his watch, but not to give any credit for things that happened under is watch. Classic selective bias.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:49 am to Manky
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But here is one, got us the fu_k out of Iraq, you remember Iraq the place that zero to do with 9/11.
I remember Iraq as the place where Syria got their chemical weapons.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:50 am to Jim Ignatowski
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When has the Obama Administration NOT screwed up on an issue/legislation/world event/defense issue/domestic issue/diplomatic issue???
You mean besides getting his SCOTUS nominees through with the far right crying like the babies they are, ridding this nation of Don't Ask Don't Tell, killing the man responsible for the deaths 3000 Americans after the last president spent a trillion dollars trying to do it, and saving the country from complete economic collapse?
I'm still trying to figure how how you right wing loons can delude yourselves into thinking Republicans are good for the economy when the three greatest collapses of financial institutions occurred under Republican presidents. And each time it took a Democrat to save the nation.
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