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re: Serious Question: No hyperbole please....
Posted on 1/25/14 at 1:29 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Posted on 1/25/14 at 1:29 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
So I've seen at least three people crediting Obama with getting out of Iraq. This is bullshite. We pulled out on a date agreed upon by Bush. Obama wanted to extend our troops's stay, but Iraq begged him not to and he shockingly complied.
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But in the case of the complete withdrawal of American troops from Iraq by the end of this year, candidate Obama prevailed over the president.
President Obama wanted to stay longer -- as recently as a few weeks ago asking the Iraqi government to allow 10,000, then 3,000 troops to remain past New Year's Eve.
But the president ultimately had no choice but to stick to candidate Obama's plan -- thanks, of all things, to an agreement signed by George W. Bush.
What makes this turn of events even more improbable is that Bush initially intended the agreement to do precisely the opposite: to lock the next president into staying in Iraq indefinitely. But back in 2008, Iraqi government officials -- fed up with a seemingly endless U.S. occupation and emboldened by candidate Obama's vow to withdraw most combat troops within 16 months -- insisted on setting a deadline for departure.
"Bush didn't want the date certain for withdrawal at the time; that was forced by the Iraqis," said Daniel Serwer, a senior fellow at the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies.
And three years later, "that's the same story with President Obama," Serwer said.
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Posted on 1/25/14 at 1:50 pm to Powerman
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I always hear about Obama being protected by the media yet none of you have any problems finding his flaws. Certainly you're using some form of media to find this information.
...yes, I am. But to sort through it all...is a tedious task at best.
...and all BS aside....you have to admit that this President has been the MOST protected President ever...when it comes to media coverage. Additionally, I'm of the opinion that he is the worst President ever!!...On so many fronts, he and his Administration has proven to be "not up to the task" at best....and "just plain incompetent" at worst.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 2:42 pm to THRILLHO
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So I've seen at least three people crediting Obama with getting out of Iraq. This is bullshite. We pulled out on a date agreed upon by Bush. Obama wanted to extend our troops's stay, but Iraq begged him not to and he shockingly complied.
Bush came up with a date after the election. He had no plan of his own to actually leave Iraq and wouldn't have come up with a date if McCain won as McCain had no interest in leaving either.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 3:02 pm to mmcgrath
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He had no plan of his own to actually leave Iraq
Neither did Obama. All I'm saying is that people claiming Obama is some peaceful savior that pulled us out of Iraq are wrong. You're deflecting, acting as if I'm trying to praise Bush. They're both warmongering fricktards. Give me a simple yes or no: Did Obama want to keep troops there longer than we did? If yes, then how can you give him credit for ending the war there?
Posted on 1/25/14 at 3:07 pm to THRILLHO
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They're both warmongering fricktards.
quote:Yes. He asked for more time for a small allotment of troops. In the end it was his administration that pulled everyone out, that's how.
Give me a simple yes or no: Did Obama want to keep troops there longer than we did? If yes, then how can you give him credit for ending the war there?
Giving Bush ANY credit for simply coming up with a date before he left office is what I don't understand.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 7:04 pm to mmcgrath
These people so mortified by Obama's foreign policy must be itching for another war. That's why they're so antsy.
After all, it was their own 2008 Republican Party candidate who led the effort to drag us into war in Syria -- shrilly apologizing for Islamist violence and trying to bully the American people into buying his ridiculous version of events. The same politician who's been a steadfast friend of Chechnya for decades (Boston Bombers say thank you for safe passage to America, neocons!) and was at the front of the line during the ridiculous 2008 Georgia-Russia scuffle.
After all, it was their own 2008 Republican Party candidate who led the effort to drag us into war in Syria -- shrilly apologizing for Islamist violence and trying to bully the American people into buying his ridiculous version of events. The same politician who's been a steadfast friend of Chechnya for decades (Boston Bombers say thank you for safe passage to America, neocons!) and was at the front of the line during the ridiculous 2008 Georgia-Russia scuffle.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:42 pm to DevilDogTiger
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Osama Bin Ladden....
That's all I got
I probably would have spelt it differently, but this is where I'm at, as well.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:50 pm to Jim Ignatowski
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When has the Obama Administration NOT screwed up
2008 & 2012 elections. I love that he gets under the skin of the far right so much.
Gonna miss it ,but Clinton(or whoever is the next Dem President)
Posted on 1/26/14 at 2:35 am to Jim Ignatowski
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When has the Obama Administration NOT screwed up on an issue/legislation/world event/defense issue/domestic issue/diplomatic issue???
I dunno cousin, maybe you can tell me how many chemcial weapons attacks have occured in Syria since Sept 2013? If the goal of Syria policy is to actually stop chemical weapons attacks, it appears to be a success. If the goal is to look like a bad arse that doesn't mind blowing shite up - I guess its a complete failure by that metric. Perhaps right and left just measure success differently.
stopped torture as an interrogation tactic
stimulus act
fair pay act of 2009
eneded don't ask don't tell
expanded hate crimes to include sexual orientation, gender, and disabilty.
Oh - wait - those aren't really successes in your eyes, are they? Did you expect Obama to be a conservative?
This post was edited on 1/26/14 at 2:41 am
Posted on 1/26/14 at 2:43 am to M. A. Ryland
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A Super classified helicopter went down and was left behind.
Must not be that classifed if you know about it.
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Screwing over the people who help you sets back our efforts over there.
Our efforts at what?
Posted on 1/26/14 at 4:54 am to Jim Ignatowski
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On so many fronts, he and his Administration has proven to be "not up to the task" at best....and "just plain incompetent" at worst.
bullshite: at worst he's a Machiavellian imbecile
Posted on 1/26/14 at 6:59 am to SpidermanTUba
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Oh - wait - those aren't really successes in your eyes, are they? Did you expect Obama to be a conservative?
....just remeber....Libtards won't be in power forever...and the precedent set by your "Emperor Obama" re: unilateral executive orders....will have liberals screaming about the end of the world!!!
...abuse of power is wrong....no matter who abuses it!!
...by the way cuz....nice to see you active here again!!! I look forward to the inevitable clashes!!
This post was edited on 1/26/14 at 7:03 am
Posted on 1/26/14 at 7:28 am to SpidermanTUba
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expanded hate crimes to include sexual orientation, gender, and disabilty.
...just what is a hate crime? Violence against anyone is hateful. "Hatecrime" is just the Feds way of selectively applying laws. Sorry Charlie...
Posted on 1/26/14 at 8:02 am to Jim Ignatowski
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When has the Obama Administration NOT screwed up on an issue/legislation/world event/defense issue/domestic issue/diplomatic issue???
This is a serious question. This Administration has consistantly stumbled out of the gate...and then again down the track...in the first turn....and the home stretch on most if not all things it has done.
...if not...and I'm missing something....PLEASE enlighten me.
While I agree wholeheartedly that Obama has been an abysmal failure due to his unwillingness or inability to bend the GOP to his will like a leader who faces strong opposition does my questions is this. What could Obama have done, given his campaign platform, that the right would have agreed with OR thought was a success when fully implemented? I don't think there is a single issue that Obama has a known stand on that the right would agree with except maybe his new found love for the idea of decriminalizing marijuana.
This administration has failed because it has proven incapable of bending the opposition to its will. This is squarely on the Obama administration's shoulders....a lot of Obama supporters will whine about the obstruction coming from the GOP but that is all the GOP can do....it is what the opposition is supposed to do...and it is the party that is in "power" (if the whitehouse is in power) has to contend with.
I think this is the most glaring example of the lack of political experience Obama had when elected. He was accustomed to the opposition not being completely opposed to his idea and relying on his smarts and charisma to sway opinion. That is a like a college CB who is a little slower than normal but can make it at the collegiate level because of smarts and hard work thinking that he can make it in the NFL where all of the receivers are faster than hell...it just doesn't work as well at the next level.
I think that either Joe Biden, who is the consummate politician (like him or not you gotta admit the guy is a politician on par with the best of the lot) either failed in his roll to "school" Obama on dealing with the opposition OR Obama is too dammed egotistical to learn from a master like Biden....and I think it is the latter,
In light of this Obama is the best thing that could have happened to the GOP. Had Hilary won the 2008 election the Clinton machine would have the GOP addicted to meth, writing bad checks and liven in a van down by the river. As divided as the GOP is right now the Clinton machine would have made it their personal bitch....they would have done it methodically and completely and at the end they would have kept it up just for fun. The respite that Obama's having won has afforded the GOP will comedy be viewed as the single most important moment in modern GOP history, and here is why. Citizens United has shifted the playing field. The left has been able to keep up and even outpace the right so far. This is not sustainable....the left simply does not have the resources nor the will to continue to outspend the right. Had the Clinton's been elected...and make no mistake that Bill is going to be involved at a very high level....the GOP would have been so completely and utterly devastated that even with all of the resources at GOP supporters disposal the GOP was going to undergo a massive makeover or cease to exist....with Obama's bumbling ways this has proven to not be necessary and in fact has solidified the things that make the GOP so hard to support for so many moderates.....
Posted on 1/26/14 at 8:41 am to Jim Ignatowski
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just what is a hate crime?
Hate crime enhancement is one of the most idiotic pieces of legislation to come down in my time.
This post was edited on 1/26/14 at 8:48 am
Posted on 1/26/14 at 10:51 am to SpidermanTUba
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stimulus act
...seriously??
Posted on 1/26/14 at 11:19 am to Jim Ignatowski
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PLEASE enlighten me.
As far as I can tell, you're absolutely right.
The only reason it isn't perceived that way is because the MSM keeps carrying his water.
No other way to explain it.
LC
Posted on 1/26/14 at 12:53 pm to son of arlo
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Would you give him credit for increasing US energy production as well?
He curtailed drilling and production on Federal offshore leases and Federal lands.
The increase in production is due solely to oil company efforts on private, not public land.
LC
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