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Posted on 11/12/13 at 5:54 pm to Chicken
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In the 1995 season, after Nebraska blew out undefeated Florida, 62-24 in the Fiesta Bowl to win their second straight title, I remember thinking that Nebraska had this dominant program that would never be dethroned. Two years later, he retired, and Nebraska's program has been on a roller coaster ever since
To be fair here. That is when it was time to stop running the option Osborne ran and start recruiting O-lineman that could pass block as well. The game was changing and Nebraska HAD to get on board. Just sayin.
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If he doesn't leave this year to take the Texas job
If he wins another NC he will go.
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he will probably be retiring in the near future.
Texas would be his last job. BUT if he stays at Bama, it would be for another three to 4 years and then settle in on the porch with a beer near his dads filling station in West Virgina.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 6:19 pm to Chicken
That does nothing to ease my feelings of dread over the next two games. LSU has in the past quit after the a Bama loss.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 6:55 pm to Chicken
So you're saying to sit on our hands and wait for Saban to retire...
Les is within a year or two of Saban's age and the rest of the SEC will be building their programs while we wait for Alabama to hit a speed bump.
Not very intelligent.
Auburn, Ole Miss and Missouri have improved significantly since the 2012 season. Tennessee is a work in progress. Georgia was hit with the injuries and Florida can't find an offense but still has very fertile recruiting grounds in their backyard.
Which one of these programs would you like LSU to sit behind if and when Alabama's program comes back to the rest of the pack?
Les is within a year or two of Saban's age and the rest of the SEC will be building their programs while we wait for Alabama to hit a speed bump.
Not very intelligent.
Auburn, Ole Miss and Missouri have improved significantly since the 2012 season. Tennessee is a work in progress. Georgia was hit with the injuries and Florida can't find an offense but still has very fertile recruiting grounds in their backyard.
Which one of these programs would you like LSU to sit behind if and when Alabama's program comes back to the rest of the pack?
Posted on 11/12/13 at 6:57 pm to Chicken
Why do we have to wait until Bama's run is over. Why can't we start our own now?
Posted on 11/12/13 at 6:58 pm to Chicken
Let's talk cycles, like 1958 to 2003.
Can we expect to "cycle" to another title in 2052? Or do cycles only apply in fantasy wishes to our hated rival to make LSU fans come off more delusional and desperate?
Can we expect to "cycle" to another title in 2052? Or do cycles only apply in fantasy wishes to our hated rival to make LSU fans come off more delusional and desperate?
Posted on 11/12/13 at 7:55 pm to Chicken
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What do you think are the 2 or 3 major changes that Les needs to make to catch up to Alabama and keep ahead of Auburn
1) Miles needs to stay completely out of game decision making.
2) Miles needs to stay completely out of personnel decision making on the field
3) Miles needs to recruit his arse off.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 9:27 pm to Chicken
So, don't worry, everyone, because soon Bama MIGHT sink down to a level at which we can beat them?
Thanks, but you can't fix stupid.
Thanks, but you can't fix stupid.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 9:47 pm to Chicken
Replace Stud
Keep players in state
Protect QB
Defense got to get better
Keep players in state
Protect QB
Defense got to get better
Posted on 11/12/13 at 10:22 pm to Chicken
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Outside of the last quarter and a half of this past game
that's when the talent gap usually start to show, brah
Posted on 11/12/13 at 10:44 pm to Chicken
Damn good, very reasonable post.
At this point I'm just worried about recruiting. Superior athletes are needed to overcome the seemingly loose, undisciplined ship he runs.
At this point I'm just worried about recruiting. Superior athletes are needed to overcome the seemingly loose, undisciplined ship he runs.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 10:48 pm to Chicken
Recruit better than we have. I agree with one of the posters in that I have seen enough of Stud. Hire Mawae if he is interested; if not try to get the guy that left Bama to go to the Eagles. Kelly won't make it there.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 10:59 pm to Chicken
I'm a little late to the discussion..my main problem is that, regardless if/when Bama goes on the decline again, this dominant run of theirs will be branded permanently in history, much like the Bryant days. We will all hear about this until the day we die.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 11:36 pm to Chicken
Maybe be LSU recruiter but have someone else be the head coach? His run run pass is predictable.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 11:40 pm to Chicken
The Cluckster reassuring his tribe Posted on 11/13/13 at 12:15 am to Chicken
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1. Saban won't be there forever. And his successor will struggle to fill his legendary shoes just like Zook did at Florida, Solich did at Nebraska, etc. If he doesn't leave this year to take the Texas job, he will probably be retiring in the near future.
2. AJ McCarron won't be back. He has been the key to their run. He is the ultimate game manager, and his consistency is the reason they have only lost twice since he has been a starter. The next QB for Bama, regardless of the number of recruiting stars he had coming out of high school, will also have big shoes to fill.
As a practical matter, these two points are probably spot on (though I don't think Bama's offensive production is dependent upon elite QB talent), but I'm not a fan of the "let's not worry about getting better, they'll get worse" argument.
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Outside of the last quarter and a half of this past game, LSU has been neck and neck with Alabama...
And the MNCG. Can't forget that one.
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I do know that we went from being 13-1 to 10-3 and now 7-3 through 10 games of this season, with tough games still to come. That's a decline, albeit not as drastic as some chicken littles like to proclaim. But it is a decline and it is critical that Les rights the ship next season.
Agree. I don't think we're in a death spiral, but we need a recovery.
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Question: What do you think are the 2 or 3 major changes that Les needs to make to catch up to Alabama and keep ahead of Auburn, Ole Miss and Texas A&M?
1. We need to quit pretending as though losing top-10 ranked recruits from the state is no big deal. It's simply not acceptable. I don't know what Miles can do or what relationships he needs to fix, but something needs to change. Our recruiting is no longer anything special considering what's at our fingertips.
2. O-line play has to get better.
Posted on 11/13/13 at 1:21 am to Chicken
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Question: What do you think are the 2 or 3 major changes that Les needs to make to catch up to Alabama and keep ahead of Auburn, Ole Miss and Texas A&M?
1) Improved line play. We were out muscled by Bama in the last two quarters and failed to dominate a depleted Ole Miss team. That speaks to conditioning and mental toughness.
2) Retaining more kids for their senior year. The kids who are going in the first round or even the second round can argue they should leave but our program our coaches should be able to explain the benefits of staying one more year and making more money on the first (and only guaranteed) NFL contract. It is great to argue you want to make it to your second contract sooner but the reality is the average NFL player career is just over 3 years and you should position yourself for a better first contract and finish your degree if you aren't going in at least the second round.
3) Avoiding the letdown games to teams like Arkansas and Ole Miss that we've seen over the last six years. Losing games to quality opponents like Alabama, Florida, UGA, or even Clemson can happen and will happen. That we can live with. Upset losses to teams of the quality of Arkansas and Ole Miss can also happen BUT the frequency with which this has happened is now disturbing and says bad things about the ability of LSU to win at the level the administration now charges us for the privilege to enjoy.
Posted on 11/13/13 at 2:36 am to Chicken
Basically, this is a fair assessment. It has its problems, but it is a fair assessment.
I knew Ron Gaspar personally. Ron was an ex-football coach who had suffered an accident that left him paralyzed and in a wheelchair. He wrote about football from his home in Chalmette and would come on WWL Radio with Hap Glaudi and provide football expertise for Hap's show. Ron was known around New Orleans as "Mr. Football."
When Bear Bryant visited the Chalmette area late in his career, he came to see Ron Gaspar. Ron made the obvious statement to Bryant that once Bryant retired, Alabama would have a difficult time replacing him. In this prediction Ron Gaspar proved to be prophetic, as obvious as his prophecy was.
The question, as I see it, is whether Alabama will learn from that experience. Or maybe it is rather that a Bryant or a Saban only comes along about once every fifty years, and the question then becomes, is Alabama going to be fortunate enough to get him when he does come along.
When Steve Spurrier had thrashed around in the pros and then at Duke University, Florida was able to pluck him off the coaching tree, probably for a number of reasons. Spurrier was a Florida alumnus, for one, and then he was, and is, a sort of maverick. He would reject an offer from Alabama right before Saban accepted his Alabama offer, and I don't think Spurrier would have accepted an Alabama offer back when he was at Duke. Spurrier is all about doing something that no one else has ever done, and it may be that he thought he could never top Bear Bryant anyhow.
It's not hard to see where LSU people are coming from. Your immediate concern is this bumper-crop recruiting class that is sitting out there in your state right now. You just came away from another concern, whether you could beat Alabama and Saban at this point in Les Miles' career. That didn't go so well, and so now you are rightfully concerned to keep Fournette and company -- what's left of it -- in state.
In spite of ourselves, we really can't predict the future. We don't KNOW how long Nick Saban is going to be at Alabama. You can come on here and SAY you know, probably in hopes of persuading Fournette and company, but the truth is, you can't predict what Nick Saban is going to do, and neither can I.
Aside from the fact that Saban is "poised on the your border" with his recruiting lieutenants, you probably don't feel much different than people in Georgia or Tennessee do about Saban and Alabama. He raids those two states for players too. Then again, you had him, and you lost him, and that's an experience they haven't had. But I wish you might, for example, just get on the Volquest or AJC Football Forums, and you would see that your feelings about Alabama and Nick Saban aren't that unique.
I will say this about Saban, and I think it needs to be said. He is recruiting as hard right now, as far as I can see, as he ever has. He spoke to and met with the recruits this past weekend after laying the LSU game plan aside.
Saban right now is two behind Bear Bryant (four to six) in number of national championships won. He said when he came to Bama that he intended to do better than ANYone else had ever done there. As has been pointed out on ESPN, Saban can more or less snap his fingers at Alabama, and the powers that be provide him with whatever he calls for, so far as the football program is concerned.
I recall something said on WWL by a member of the Sugar Bowl Committee about thirty years ago. He said that nothing ever gets done about a football program until the people supporting it get tired of the situation and do something about it. That happened at Alabama in the mid-nineteen-fifties and in the first decade of the 21st century. Who knows what the future holds? As Wayne Huizenga said, "It is what it is."
I knew Ron Gaspar personally. Ron was an ex-football coach who had suffered an accident that left him paralyzed and in a wheelchair. He wrote about football from his home in Chalmette and would come on WWL Radio with Hap Glaudi and provide football expertise for Hap's show. Ron was known around New Orleans as "Mr. Football."
When Bear Bryant visited the Chalmette area late in his career, he came to see Ron Gaspar. Ron made the obvious statement to Bryant that once Bryant retired, Alabama would have a difficult time replacing him. In this prediction Ron Gaspar proved to be prophetic, as obvious as his prophecy was.
The question, as I see it, is whether Alabama will learn from that experience. Or maybe it is rather that a Bryant or a Saban only comes along about once every fifty years, and the question then becomes, is Alabama going to be fortunate enough to get him when he does come along.
When Steve Spurrier had thrashed around in the pros and then at Duke University, Florida was able to pluck him off the coaching tree, probably for a number of reasons. Spurrier was a Florida alumnus, for one, and then he was, and is, a sort of maverick. He would reject an offer from Alabama right before Saban accepted his Alabama offer, and I don't think Spurrier would have accepted an Alabama offer back when he was at Duke. Spurrier is all about doing something that no one else has ever done, and it may be that he thought he could never top Bear Bryant anyhow.
It's not hard to see where LSU people are coming from. Your immediate concern is this bumper-crop recruiting class that is sitting out there in your state right now. You just came away from another concern, whether you could beat Alabama and Saban at this point in Les Miles' career. That didn't go so well, and so now you are rightfully concerned to keep Fournette and company -- what's left of it -- in state.
In spite of ourselves, we really can't predict the future. We don't KNOW how long Nick Saban is going to be at Alabama. You can come on here and SAY you know, probably in hopes of persuading Fournette and company, but the truth is, you can't predict what Nick Saban is going to do, and neither can I.
Aside from the fact that Saban is "poised on the your border" with his recruiting lieutenants, you probably don't feel much different than people in Georgia or Tennessee do about Saban and Alabama. He raids those two states for players too. Then again, you had him, and you lost him, and that's an experience they haven't had. But I wish you might, for example, just get on the Volquest or AJC Football Forums, and you would see that your feelings about Alabama and Nick Saban aren't that unique.
I will say this about Saban, and I think it needs to be said. He is recruiting as hard right now, as far as I can see, as he ever has. He spoke to and met with the recruits this past weekend after laying the LSU game plan aside.
Saban right now is two behind Bear Bryant (four to six) in number of national championships won. He said when he came to Bama that he intended to do better than ANYone else had ever done there. As has been pointed out on ESPN, Saban can more or less snap his fingers at Alabama, and the powers that be provide him with whatever he calls for, so far as the football program is concerned.
I recall something said on WWL by a member of the Sugar Bowl Committee about thirty years ago. He said that nothing ever gets done about a football program until the people supporting it get tired of the situation and do something about it. That happened at Alabama in the mid-nineteen-fifties and in the first decade of the 21st century. Who knows what the future holds? As Wayne Huizenga said, "It is what it is."
Posted on 11/13/13 at 3:33 am to Chicken
quote:"Greg McElroy" won't be back. Nuff said. So who's the next smart, drop back, pro style passing QB that's in line this time? Notice you don't see too many DTQB's at Bama. Wonder why?
2. AJ McCarron won't be back. He has been the key to their run. He is the ultimate game manager, and his consistency is the reason they have only lost twice since he has been a starter. The next QB for Bama, regardless of the number of recruiting stars he had coming out of high school, will also have big shoes to fill.
There needs to be an overhaul of the staff. There are weak links there that need to be strengthened.
Start with the Defensive Secondary coach and go from there.
Offensive Line recruiting needs to dramatically improve. Go up north and bring back a few more baby Whitworth's (Pocic) We can do better than Stud coaching the OL too. Give Kevin Mawae a shot at it.
Frank Wilson is vastly over rated as the Recruiting Coordinator. Our classes have weak spots that have not met expectations and do not fill needs adequately. Keep Frank as RB coach, but I'd hire another coach to be the Recruiting Coordinator. (Ed Orgeron) Let him coach the DL. Move Brick to LB's (Where he played in college) and slide Chavis back to solve the Chinese Fire Drill mess that is the Defensive Secondary. (Or hire Cooper back from South Florida) Chavis or Cooper taking over the secondary would result in an immediate and pronounced improvement.
Ensminger (TE's), Henry (WR's) and McGaughey (ST's) represent mediocrity. LSU can do better at all these positions. Miles needs to start hiring coaches with their technical teaching abilities as the primary factor. Their recruiting ability should be strong, but not the primary reason that they're hired. The athletes are not being developed at LSU after they make it onto campus. Hire coaches that can coach first and foremost, like
does with the Red Devils. That's a major difference between the two programs. Lil Nicky doesn't have any tolerance for assistants that can't coach very well. 
Posted on 11/13/13 at 8:26 am to Chicken
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2. AJ McCarron won't be back. He has been the key to their run. He is the ultimate game manager, and his consistency is the reason they have only lost twice since he has been a starter. The next QB for Bama, regardless of the number of recruiting stars he had coming out of high school, will also have big shoes to fill.
This is something that I don't think can be understated. I think most Bama fans will be more concerned with this after the season than they will be willing to admit. I can tell you this their #2 this year (or the guy that came in to spell McCarron in blowouts) ain't the guy I don't think.
It will be interesting to see.
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