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re: Jameis is going to be a better qb prospect than luck
Posted on 10/30/13 at 1:43 pm to RandySavage
Posted on 10/30/13 at 1:43 pm to RandySavage
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But will he be able to surpass Cam is the big question?
Jameis is more comparable to Luck from a physical perspective. Cam can run over and through opponents and make all the throws. Just because Jameis is Black doesn't mean he's comparable to another Black guy. I'm just saying...
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Posted on 10/30/13 at 1:45 pm to Shaft Williams
I agree but I was mostly saying what Luck has done in the NFL so far to the people that said hes not a special player and whatever.
I also dont think its fair to talk about a guy and say how great of a "prospect" he will be. I dont care if your the best prospect in the world or the worst prospect in the world. You can be a bust or you can be a player, regardless what kind of prospect you are. No prospect is guaranteed to succeed at the next level. Because all they are is a prospect. Tom Brady was lucky to be drafted because he wasnt a good prospect. Look at what hes done. On the other hand you have Ryan Leaf who was a "cant miss" prospect and was horrible.
So to argue that someone is going to be the best "prospect" ever is pointless. I want a great player, not a great prospect.
So, IMO, all this prospect talk and Luck vs Winston talk will just have to wait til Winston gets in the pros. Luck was a great prospect and became a great player. Right now Winston is just a great prospect. When he actually plays a great team with a great D we will know more. And when he gets to the pros we will see if he was just a great prospect, or if he was a great player.
Can he be a better prospect than Luck? Sure. Will he be a better player than Luck? Doubt it. What's more important?
I also dont think its fair to talk about a guy and say how great of a "prospect" he will be. I dont care if your the best prospect in the world or the worst prospect in the world. You can be a bust or you can be a player, regardless what kind of prospect you are. No prospect is guaranteed to succeed at the next level. Because all they are is a prospect. Tom Brady was lucky to be drafted because he wasnt a good prospect. Look at what hes done. On the other hand you have Ryan Leaf who was a "cant miss" prospect and was horrible.
So to argue that someone is going to be the best "prospect" ever is pointless. I want a great player, not a great prospect.
So, IMO, all this prospect talk and Luck vs Winston talk will just have to wait til Winston gets in the pros. Luck was a great prospect and became a great player. Right now Winston is just a great prospect. When he actually plays a great team with a great D we will know more. And when he gets to the pros we will see if he was just a great prospect, or if he was a great player.
Can he be a better prospect than Luck? Sure. Will he be a better player than Luck? Doubt it. What's more important?
This post was edited on 10/30/13 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 10/30/13 at 1:47 pm to KG5989
Agree or disagree with this: when Winston plays UF this season, that will be a better secondary than luck ever faced in college.
I do agree with you though, the true mark, if he even stacks up to the insane college hype, will be NFL performance.
I do agree with you though, the true mark, if he even stacks up to the insane college hype, will be NFL performance.
Posted on 10/30/13 at 1:48 pm to BigEdLSU
I guess my real point is saying at 19, in a few weeks, jameis will face an NFL ready secondary.
Posted on 10/30/13 at 1:58 pm to bisonduck
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Why are people getting so tweaked over this? Winston looks like an amazing player.
I agree. There's a lot of room to disagree with the "better than Luck" prediction but the kid looks amazing.
And there's really nothing to say the initial prediction is going to be wrong beyond the obvious "it's way too early" statement. But even if he ends up being 85% of the player that Luck is, you're still getting a franchise QB.
Posted on 10/30/13 at 2:03 pm to Walking the Earth
Yeah, I agree the game against UF will tell us a lot about Winston because outside of #1, Benjamin, I really don't see his WRs as anything special. Matter of fact, the WRs I remember outside of Benjamin looked small. And, Winston does have a quality TE.
Posted on 10/30/13 at 2:05 pm to SaintCajun
The MLB draft is really weird. I'm pretty sure if football wasn't in the equation he'd have been a top 3 round pick. They go off of potential like no other league and he has boat loads of it. I've played with, against, or just know at least 100 guys drafted in the top rounds. I'm pretty sure he'd have been way up there.
Are we sure his arm is stronger than Luck's? I'm not sure I've seen a single throw that would convince me of this. Either way he's gonna be special.
Are we sure his arm is stronger than Luck's? I'm not sure I've seen a single throw that would convince me of this. Either way he's gonna be special.
Posted on 10/30/13 at 2:07 pm to ReauxlTide222
I'm sure Winston has the stronger arm. That would be my guess.
Posted on 10/30/13 at 2:20 pm to Shaft Williams
This post was edited on 10/30/13 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 10/30/13 at 2:21 pm to SabiDojo
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I'm sure
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my guess.
Your tactics confuse me
Posted on 10/30/13 at 2:21 pm to BigEdLSU
Yea I agree that the UF game will be a better secondary that Luck played in college.
That said, Luck still faced some solid Ds. With less talent at WR than Winston has at WR. Which is important when comparing this. Lucks WRs didnt have the skill set and talent that Winstons WRs do. FSUs WRs going against UFs DBs is a pretty good match up. Everyone is talking about #1 Benjamin for FSU, while Rashard Greene was been 1 of my favorite WRs in the nation for a while now. Winston has multiple options to throw the ball too in Benjamin, Greene, O'leary, even the RB does work in the pass game. Luck had average WRs with a good pass catching TE.
And in regards to who has the strongest arm between Luck and Winston. Arm Strength is 1 of the most overrated traits when it comes to NFL QBs. Who has the big arms in the NFL? Stafford, Rodgers, Cutler, Flacco,Freemen, Big Ben etc. Who are the best QBs in the NFL? Manning, Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Luck, etc. Only 1 elite QB has a big arm in Rodgers. Why is that? The QBs that have the big arms in the NFL tend to be the one that make bad decisions because they think they can put the ball anywhere. While the QBs that might have a weaker arm makes better decisions and is more accurate. Rodgers is a rare breed in he has a huge arm, yet makes great decisions with that huge arm. Accuracy >>>>>>> arm strength in the NFL, and its not even close.
That said, Luck still faced some solid Ds. With less talent at WR than Winston has at WR. Which is important when comparing this. Lucks WRs didnt have the skill set and talent that Winstons WRs do. FSUs WRs going against UFs DBs is a pretty good match up. Everyone is talking about #1 Benjamin for FSU, while Rashard Greene was been 1 of my favorite WRs in the nation for a while now. Winston has multiple options to throw the ball too in Benjamin, Greene, O'leary, even the RB does work in the pass game. Luck had average WRs with a good pass catching TE.
And in regards to who has the strongest arm between Luck and Winston. Arm Strength is 1 of the most overrated traits when it comes to NFL QBs. Who has the big arms in the NFL? Stafford, Rodgers, Cutler, Flacco,Freemen, Big Ben etc. Who are the best QBs in the NFL? Manning, Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Luck, etc. Only 1 elite QB has a big arm in Rodgers. Why is that? The QBs that have the big arms in the NFL tend to be the one that make bad decisions because they think they can put the ball anywhere. While the QBs that might have a weaker arm makes better decisions and is more accurate. Rodgers is a rare breed in he has a huge arm, yet makes great decisions with that huge arm. Accuracy >>>>>>> arm strength in the NFL, and its not even close.
This post was edited on 10/30/13 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 10/30/13 at 2:24 pm to KG5989
Posted on 10/30/13 at 2:27 pm to KG5989
Luck had a lot of top flight NFL talent on his line.
Winston has a way better supporting cast. I think luck wouldn't have lost a game with a team that talented.
If jameis loses one game in college, on that roster, I would immediately change my stance.
Winston has a way better supporting cast. I think luck wouldn't have lost a game with a team that talented.
If jameis loses one game in college, on that roster, I would immediately change my stance.
Posted on 10/30/13 at 2:29 pm to BigEdLSU
Yea I agree Luck had a great OL. But his OL werent the ones running routes and catching balls for him. I dont think Luck had 1 WR that is in the NFL, minus Fleener. Montgomery looks like he can play in the NFL, but he was a youngster with Luck.
Posted on 10/30/13 at 2:31 pm to KG5989
Jameis puts great touch on his passes, like luck IMO.
It's not like his receivers are bailing him out, he is throwing them open.
It's not like his receivers are bailing him out, he is throwing them open.
Posted on 10/30/13 at 2:37 pm to BigEdLSU
Oh no I agree. Winston has made some great throws. But a good bit of the time hes throwing to a WR running free or with 1 DB out of position on them.
And about the arm strength I was just saying that to the people that are making a big deal out of who has a better arm. In reality, it doesnt matter because they both have good/great arms. Accuracy is what seperates good QBs with big arms to great QBs.
Its a bit of both. Hes a great looking QB. No doubt about it. But, like i said, i dont want a great prospect. I want a great player. Winston is certainly a great prospect. Only time will tell if hes a great player though.
And about the arm strength I was just saying that to the people that are making a big deal out of who has a better arm. In reality, it doesnt matter because they both have good/great arms. Accuracy is what seperates good QBs with big arms to great QBs.
Its a bit of both. Hes a great looking QB. No doubt about it. But, like i said, i dont want a great prospect. I want a great player. Winston is certainly a great prospect. Only time will tell if hes a great player though.
This post was edited on 10/30/13 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 10/30/13 at 2:41 pm to Shaft Williams
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Intelligence and IQ have nothing to do with reading defenses? Ok...
Because that's what I said right? It doesn't matter which one is smarter anyway. Luck was better at reading defenses and making changes at the LOS.
Posted on 10/30/13 at 2:42 pm to lsutiger2010
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Jameis is going to be a better qb prospect than luck
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Good lord. Talk about getting ahead of ourselves
Posted on 10/30/13 at 2:45 pm to ZTiger87
How can you possibly say that? Winston has mastery of the offense similar to luck as a rsFr
Posted on 10/30/13 at 2:48 pm to BigEdLSU
Disagree, simply because Luck graded out so astronomically high. He was incredibly cerebral, great size, great production, pro style offense under Harbaugh and Shaw, near perfect mechanics, great pocket awareness, really good athleticism, capable of taking a hit, etc. Really no flaws in Luck's game.
Winston's delivery looks awkward to me and is certainly not as crisp as Luck's throwing motion. How fast is Winston in the 40? He looks like a good athlete, but Luck ran in the 4.6s at the combine and can definitely get extra yardage. Winston certainly doesn't have Vick/RG3 speed, maybe not even Russell Wilson.
Winston's delivery looks awkward to me and is certainly not as crisp as Luck's throwing motion. How fast is Winston in the 40? He looks like a good athlete, but Luck ran in the 4.6s at the combine and can definitely get extra yardage. Winston certainly doesn't have Vick/RG3 speed, maybe not even Russell Wilson.
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