i have to wonder about our d backfield coaching

Germans

The current DBs have the speed and talent to be good. It is coverage technique, angles to make tackles, and not being in the correct position\coverage. All the issues above point to coaching.

We were lost and confused vs UGA.

Half the time 1 DB was in man coverage, while the other DB to his side was in zone.

Its not a talent thing, its the mental mistakes that are killing us. And that can be fixed.

IMO, we were trying to get to complicated with our coverages. Just run a cover 2 man. I know Mills can guard a guy man to man. And im sure some of our other CBs can. He was great at that last year as a freshman. I mean really great. And Im pretty certain Dwayne Thomas can too. Out of high school he was 1 of the best cover CBs in the nation and it looks like nothings changed at LSU so far. He might need to see more PT.

Get back to basics and run the cover 2 man press with the DBs jamming the WRs at the line and have creative blitzes that we are so used to seeing.

It was almost like we were running a coverage where if 1 WR goes here, this guy jumps it, if another goes here, this guy jumps it, and if this TE goes here, this guy gets it. Its a coverage based on what the opponents routes are, and that can work but only if all the DBs see the same thing and react the same. And clearly that wasnt working. You dont have to be creative in coverages. And I would rather a guy get beat 1v1 where the WR makes a great play or the QB makes a great throw than get beat by making mental mistakes and looking lost.

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I hated to see cooper go. I liked the Raymond hire bc of what was available but nobody coul quite replace cooper 100%.

I will still give Raymond the benefit of the doubt but last year a few DBs were considered to take a step back. This year we have age/experience issues so I won't quite put the fault on Raymond just yet.

Weren't alot of the players after the Georgia came talking about the multiple complex hand signals they have to implore every snap? Where as before, with Coop, it was a more simplified version with just a few basic signals? Can't we just go back to that?

I say we give Cooper a call and see if he'd be interested. I don't see why not, he's at USF now. Bet he wishes he'd never taken that Tampa Bay job.

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it seems that since we lost cooper, we have struggled. i know we lost claiborn and peterson and reid but the guys we have now were just as heralded coming out of high school. i also know our db coach is an ex player and a Tiger through and through. does anyone out there have ACTUAL playing experience at a high level (at last high school) that has perhaps analyzed our secondary play in person that can give us an educated opinion? thanks in advance. no video game pros please.

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Listened to Hannigrif and Rush on the Tiger Zone last night after Miles show. They went into depth on this subject way beyond my novice football education. And as it seems the whole defensive backfield thing is complicated. It is not just coaching and actually it is not just the D-backs.

Gordy elaborated on the Cover 2 scheme LSU ran a lot of last week against UGA and previous foes this year. It seems that we are being forced into cover two because the DE and LBs are losing containment on the run game and this lineup allows the CB's to help the run defense better. In zone coverage they are not playig with their back to the ball as much as man coverage. An additional problem here is that the Safeties are not executing cover 2 correctly. He said they should stay deeper than the receivers on coverage and center up on their half of the field and hold that until the QB releases the ball. Our guys are breaking way to early in coverage of one of multiple receivers in their zone the QB just plunks it to the other one with the CB hung out to dry with no top coverage.

They also touched on the Safety position in general - this person is usually not as good in man coverage but is a better space tackler. In cover two you are playing two safeties. With the advent of three and four wides the second safety really needs to be a hybrid CB with good man cover skills. None of our safeties are filling this bill.

So in short, because the front seven are not playing up to par the def coverage is forced to packages which are not optimum and put our DB's into skills they are not best at. Also zone coverage requires a lot of communication which is going pretty poor so far between the DBs.

I am no coach and just tried to summarize what the paid pundits were talking last night. Feel free to weigh in or correct as needed but it all made sense to me when I heard it.

One last item. It seems that Loston was playing with a groin injury which limited his ability to spin and cut. i admire his grit but if he could not execute the cover age he should have sat.

At the top of the season, this was predicted to happen. I think we all kinda hoped that the defense was under-rated, but in actually they are simply green as grass. Very,very talented but very very green. They will improve no question, so as far as coaching is concerned,I don't think we have mediocre coaching of the D-backs at all. Georgia has a monstrous offense as well, don't forget that.

Gawd are u still at this ou ol bastage?