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Even "Elite" Coaches Can Make Game Management Look Hard
Posted on 9/13/13 at 8:55 am
Posted on 9/13/13 at 8:55 am
Les Miles has been very rightly lampooned here and other places for his very high profile mistakes in big spots. He has worked on these issues and they are becoming less frequent, though not totally eliminated.
Gary Patterson, widely cited on this board as an elite coach whom many posters wanted to see replace Les Miles made massive mistakes yesterday. Combine these with the massive errors he made managing the clock in the opener, and it looks like the grass isn't always greener.
Here are a tiny swath of mistakes that compounded atrocious officiating to cost TCU the game (the issues are bolded, the explanation is beneath if you don't want to read the wall of text ):
Poor offensive selection on their best chance to tie the game:
Patterson, with Boykin under center, had the ball with 4 minutes left down one score. They had just completed a touchdown drive where they gashed the Raiders rushing the football. They went three and out. Not a single rush of the football. They had two penalties on that drive compounding those issues (the two penalties occured after first and second down pass attempts, and did not affect the D&D to change the calculus on running on those downs).
Poor understanding of game situations on when to kick field goals:
Gary Patterson sent the kicker out for a 56-yard field goal trailing by seven points in the fourth quarter (14 minutes remaining). While a gutsy call, the call didn't fit the way the game was played and it was a career long attempt for their excellent kicker. It also wasn't a consistent call as shown by Patterson eschewing a field goal when down by 10 with under 45 seconds left.
It is a hard game with a lot of pressure. Even the best can make it look really difficult sometimes.
tl;dr
Gary Patterson, widely cited on this board as an elite coach whom many posters wanted to see replace Les Miles made massive mistakes yesterday. Combine these with the massive errors he made managing the clock in the opener, and it looks like the grass isn't always greener.
Here are a tiny swath of mistakes that compounded atrocious officiating to cost TCU the game (the issues are bolded, the explanation is beneath if you don't want to read the wall of text ):
Poor offensive selection on their best chance to tie the game:
Patterson, with Boykin under center, had the ball with 4 minutes left down one score. They had just completed a touchdown drive where they gashed the Raiders rushing the football. They went three and out. Not a single rush of the football. They had two penalties on that drive compounding those issues (the two penalties occured after first and second down pass attempts, and did not affect the D&D to change the calculus on running on those downs).
Poor understanding of game situations on when to kick field goals:
Gary Patterson sent the kicker out for a 56-yard field goal trailing by seven points in the fourth quarter (14 minutes remaining). While a gutsy call, the call didn't fit the way the game was played and it was a career long attempt for their excellent kicker. It also wasn't a consistent call as shown by Patterson eschewing a field goal when down by 10 with under 45 seconds left.
It is a hard game with a lot of pressure. Even the best can make it look really difficult sometimes.
tl;dr
This post was edited on 9/13/13 at 8:59 am
Posted on 9/13/13 at 8:58 am to therick711
I didnt read.
LSU Arkansas 2002. Saban made huge mistakes that cost us that game.
Grass isnt greener.
LSU Arkansas 2002. Saban made huge mistakes that cost us that game.
Grass isnt greener.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 9:09 am to therick711
the more one knows about REAL FOOTBALL, the more one knows you are correct and all coaches make mistakes and some fans accuse them of making mistakes when they don't and not making them when they do. if the play works, it's not a mistake and vice versus. of course, there are internet football geniuses that have no experience or knowledge of the reality's of the game and often are very vocal about how stupid the HC is.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 10:00 am to therick711
The 56 yard field goal wasnt a bad call by patterson, guy had the distance, just missed by about 5 feet
Posted on 9/13/13 at 10:00 am to therick711
While I agree every coach makes mistakes, I'd bet no other coach making $4M plus is making "Clock it" issues like the Ole Miss game. Any coach can find a way to lose. Saban lost to UAB and ULM. Even got dominated by Utah. But repeating mistakes is just awful.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 10:33 am to therick711
It's easy to second guess when you are sitting in your living room or on a bench somewhere. When the spotlight is on you and you don't have the benefit of pause on your DVR and you've got to handle players, coaches, noise, the clock, etc it's brutal.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 11:42 am to therick711
Anyone thats coached at any level will tell you how hard it is to in game manage emotion, competitiveness and the unpredictable nature of the game.. I have gained such a different level of respect for high level coaches throughout my years by being a part of the chaos that ensues at youth level through high school.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 11:52 am to therick711
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Gary Patterson sent the kicker out for a 56-yard field goal trailing by seven points in the fourth quarter (14 minutes remaining). While a gutsy call, the call didn't fit the way the game was played and it was a career long attempt for their excellent kicker. It also wasn't a consistent call as shown by Patterson eschewing a field goal when down by 10 with under 45 seconds left.
Meh, an entirely diff set of circumstances, make FG, stuff TTU which they had done, don't give them good FP and you have kicker with the ability and obviously you thought he had a chance.
14 min and 45 seconds are nite and day, even discussing them has made me dumber
Posted on 9/13/13 at 12:04 pm to therick711
Les's horrible explanations and goofy, amateurish way of answering and dealing with the press is what gets him trouble.
Its not the act itself, but the way he handles it that people lampoon him for.
Whether you like it or not, Les is a walking PR disaster, and he brings most of the trouble onto himself.
Look inward.
Its not the act itself, but the way he handles it that people lampoon him for.
Whether you like it or not, Les is a walking PR disaster, and he brings most of the trouble onto himself.
Look inward.
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