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re: what are the TCU team weaknesses?
Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:01 pm to Bleeding purple
Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:01 pm to Bleeding purple
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I am using as much data as possible to do a comparison. I can tell you that it is a hell of a lot better than the blanket statement ....that GP is bad coach because he had a tough season in his first year in the Big 12 in exclusion of any other variables.
who said GP was a bad coach? Folks are arguing with you statement that TCU has a coaching advantage over LSU. The "stats" you provided aren't comparable based on all of the factors mentioned previously.
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FWIW LM had been at OSU as the OC previous to his HC job
and? Patterson was at TCU before he took over as HC. How dense are you?
This post was edited on 8/13/13 at 2:04 pm
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Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:04 pm to Bleeding purple
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Of those two how many have taken a team to another conference?
Thats the dumbest question you could ask. Les doesnt have the option to move up to a better conference because there isnt one.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:05 pm to HornyForLife
quote:While a couple of these guys may have gotten the 4* bump on one recruiting site after committing to LSU, none of them were consensus 4*/5* recruits.
I agree with about half of your statement but Minter, Ridley, and Shepard weren't recruits that nobody knew anything about.
Also,
quote:I'm talking about our 3* MLB out of Georgia, not our 5* QB/RB/WR out of Texas.
Shepard 5*
I can assure you, none of these guys I listed were considered blue chip, can't miss NFL prospects.
This post was edited on 8/14/13 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:06 pm to LSU GrandDad
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what are the TCU team weaknesses?
Easy, their insecure, begging-for-respect fans who troll the Rant all day.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:08 pm to XbengalTiger
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I agree with about half of your statement but Minter, Ridley, and Shepard weren't recruits that nobody knew anything about.
While a couple of these guys may have gotten the 4* bump on one recruiting site after committing to LSU, none of them were consensus 4*/5* recruits.
Also,
quote:
Shepard 5*
I'm talking about our 3* MLB out of Georgia, not our 5* bust QB/RB/WR out of Texas.
I can assure you, none of these guys I listed were considered blue chip, can't miss NFL prospects.
Fair enough. The same thing happens to some of our guys after they get offers from teams like Texas, Oklahoma, and Alabama.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:13 pm to Jwodie
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insecure, begging-for-respect fans who troll the Rant
far from it.
but y'all have been feeding my trolling for 5 pages.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:16 pm to Jwodie
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Easy, their insecure, begging-for-respect fans who troll the Rant all day.
Like WVU and NC fans sounded, Oregon was a tad more confident.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:17 pm to skullhawk
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who said GP was a bad coach
many on this site and in this thread alone.
paraphrasing- he went 7-6 in his first year with the big boys, he just isn't that good and it got proven
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Patterson was at TCU before he took over as HC.
No shite! Bama picked up Franchioni not realizing they were really after GP. Too bad for them. the comment was in response to someone noting LM first year with OSU he was new to the team/conference and GP was established with his team when he moved to the Big 12 (12 yrs after being a D/C)
Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:19 pm to Bleeding purple
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the comment was in response to someone noting LM first year with OSU he was new to the team/conference and GP was established with his team when he moved to the Big 12 (12 yrs after being a D/C)
yeah whats wrong about this?
Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:25 pm to More beer please
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LM first year with OSU he was new to the team/conference
He had served as the OC at OSU for 2 yrs previously. Thus he was new to neither to OSU or to the Big12.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:27 pm to Bleeding purple
Prob already been mentioned but I would start with the fact they call themselves frogs.
This post was edited on 8/13/13 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:29 pm to Bleeding purple
As a head coach he was...in the Big 12.
Patterson had long been a HC at the school he entered into the Big 12 with and players/program that he had molded. Dont act like they are the same
Patterson had long been a HC at the school he entered into the Big 12 with and players/program that he had molded. Dont act like they are the same
Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:36 pm to Bleeding purple
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the comment was in response to someone noting LM first year with OSU he was new to the team/conference and GP was established with his team when he moved to the Big 12 (12 yrs after being a D/C)
Being an OC for 2 years and being the head coach for 12 years isn't comparable at all.
GP is a great coach. TCU should be happy he's stayed there this long and with the move to the Big XII it looks like he'll be there as long as they'll have him.
I see LSU winning on August 31 but it will be close. TCU is catching this LSU team at the perfect time (young on defense, new oc, 4 new offensive line positions). If this game was played in November, I'd feel much better about LSU's chances.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:37 pm to LSU GrandDad
TCU's primary weakness is that they are TCU.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 3:02 pm to More beer please
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Dont act like they are the same
Miles and Patterson are not the same.
They have not had the same experiences quantitatively or qualitatively.
We are comparing apples to pears here.
(not exactly the same but similar)
I can not definitively say that GP is a better HC than Miles anymore than anyone can say Miles is a better HC than GP.
I can use what is available to draw conclusions.
IMO (and many others) GP has accomplished beyond expectations with his limited resources. LM has accomplished at expectation (under expectations according to many LSU fans) with abounding resources.
One simple aspect to look at.
How would the records for each coach be if they lost both their OC and DC and had to manage both sides of the ball and be a HC?
GP-little to no drop off on D (he runs the D anyway through the DC) and minimal drop in O as he has significant role in play calling now also.
Miles-? When LSU had co-DCs the defense was terrible and Miles could not right the ship. Despite considering himself offensively minded, the O has continued to struggle under Miles. yes he has surrounded himself with fantastic support and that is admirable but is it enough?
Posted on 8/13/13 at 3:05 pm to Bleeding purple
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yes he has surrounded himself with fantastic support and that is admirable but is it enough?
Id say winning multiple SEC titles and a national title is enough
Posted on 8/13/13 at 3:35 pm to More beer please
I can't specifically disagree.
The win column can be used as the only barometer is so chosen.
GP never had an opportunity to win SEC titles but did beat every SEC school he played during his tenure at TCU (not that beating Vandy that year was a great accomplishment). Despite a perfect record going undefeated and ending the season as the #2 ranked team in the country he also never had the opportunity to play for the NC. Could he have beaten Aub or Org that year? Possibly, but we will never know.
The win column can be used as the only barometer is so chosen.
GP never had an opportunity to win SEC titles but did beat every SEC school he played during his tenure at TCU (not that beating Vandy that year was a great accomplishment). Despite a perfect record going undefeated and ending the season as the #2 ranked team in the country he also never had the opportunity to play for the NC. Could he have beaten Aub or Org that year? Possibly, but we will never know.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:13 am to XbengalTiger
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Because OSU was a dog program when Les took it over. They had never won shite and had a culture of losing. He began laying the foundation for what is today the best OSU program in the history of that school.
True statement
Posted on 8/14/13 at 10:02 am to Bleeding purple
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SEC schools with long tradition face the toughest road but enjoy the best benefits of national recognition. The increases in schedule adversity offset the increases in team ability, specifically recruiting.
and i thought i was syntax challenged. i think you just said LSU has a better team than TCU. furthermore, i think you just said les miles is just as good a coach as patterson.
i agree LSU has better players on the average than TCU but i still say the jury is out on GP. beating up on inferior teams doesn't mean you are a great coach but it doesn't mean you are a bad coach either. the level of competition played, WEEK AFTER WEEK AFTER WEEK will tell the story. of course, if GP doesn't do as well as miles after a few years i'm certain you will offer up as an excuse that miles has a recruiting advantage. that's a different story but relevant and there is no answer to it. tejas seems like a pretty good recruiting ground to me.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 10:14 am to TIGRLEE
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I would start with the fact they call themselves frogs.
so are the french.
seriously, i wonder if they have a mascot habitat like LSU does for Mike. ok, maybe not seriously. the history behind this name has got to be unusual. most mascots were named back in the late 19th or early 20th century when student populations were very small. you have to wonder what they were thinking of. maybe they were sitting around sipping the hooch of the day and came up with an amphibian. maybe after biology lab or something. maybe it was piote.
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