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re: Drummer Talk: setups & hardware discussion/questions

Posted on 6/2/13 at 7:12 pm to
Posted by Black
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Posted on 6/2/13 at 7:12 pm to




This used to be my kit. Pearl Reference. I was taking lessons and had to quit due to moving out of my house and in with the in-laws. Had to sell it

Hopefully I can get an e-kit and get back into it, but I think I'm too OCD to be a good drummer. I have to know what's being done when and why it's being done. I felt I wasn't creative enough to be good
Posted by Drummin Fool
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Posted on 6/3/13 at 3:31 pm to
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I think I'm too OCD to be a good drummer.


Get a practice pad and use your OCD to your advantage. Hammer out all 40 of those rudiments (using a metronome) until you've got hem down solid at varying speeds. Your OCD should be an asset using this approach. Then, once you have them down, get behind the kit and experiment playing all of those rudiments using different patterns on different parts of the kit. This will give you much more confidence about your creativity. You will be amazed at how many different cool-arse patterns you can play around a kit when they are based on the 40 rudiments.

This will just be the beginning. Once you know the rudiments, you can create your own variations and combinations of the rudiments to come up with your own patterns.

Like literature, the secret to creativity when playing an instrument is language. The 40 rudiments are like the alphabet to drumming. Once you know the alphabet, you can create anything by grouping those letters into sentences and coming up with interesting phrases.

Don't give up, dude. If drumming is something you love enough, you can make your own methods work for you. Good luck!
Posted by Oswald
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Posted on 6/3/13 at 5:14 pm to
Well-said, Fool.
Posted by BestBanker
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Posted on 6/4/13 at 7:18 pm to
Thought of you today, black.
At Forks Nashville.

Rudiments. fool.

Me tonight:




Posted by Black
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Posted on 6/4/13 at 7:53 pm to
Beautiful kit. I'm sad I never got to see mine under the lights of a stage


I'm going pick up my drum pad this weekend

Thanks for the tips. Even though I don't have a kit to practice, I still have my books and I can still read the music. Couple pillows and random objects and I have my own homemade kit
Posted by BestBanker
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Posted on 6/4/13 at 8:06 pm to
Cool! I had a lesson today and gave him my pitiful saga of lameness, and teach told me to do this repeatedly
so, here I endurance tonight!
Posted by The Dudes Rug
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Posted on 6/4/13 at 8:12 pm to
I'm buying my next kit from Fork's or Memphis Drum Shop at the end of summer. Still deciding what I want.
Posted by BestBanker
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Posted on 6/4/13 at 8:28 pm to
So MANY choices and any will be great! Don't drink!
Posted by Black
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Posted on 6/4/13 at 8:33 pm to
I think I have that book! I definitely remember that endurance practice

1e&a 2e&a....
Posted by BestBanker
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Posted on 6/6/13 at 6:55 pm to
What's a good add-on/addition to the standard 5 piece kit as I progress? Obvious cymbal upgrades aside.
Posted by Drummin Fool
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Posted on 6/6/13 at 7:46 pm to
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What's a good add-on/addition to the standard 5 piece kit as I progress? Obvious cymbal upgrades aside.


There are a lot of challenging and cool patterns you can play adding one of these next to your hi-hat pedal.

cowbell/temple-block foot pedal mount

Talk about working out your 4-limb coordination...very baddass!
Posted by BestBanker
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Posted on 6/6/13 at 7:56 pm to
Cowbell pedal?! Alright! You got this, huh?

Tested the double bass pedal out Tuesday and you are spot on withthe test your coordination statement! I'm not cutout for this yet! Also had the double pedal hi-hats on this set. Way cool.
Posted by Drummin Fool
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Posted on 6/6/13 at 8:24 pm to
Yeah, I love that thing. I used to play a lot of live music back in the day (before wife and kids and getting old) and i used to love watching the confusion on people's faces when I would start playing the cowbell with my foot and they try to figure out where it is coming from because they don't see anybody playing one. It would blow some people's minds when they figure out I was playing it with my foot.


I used to play double bass drum pedals too, with the 12-piece drum kit. They were a lot of fun, but I have mellowed out a bunch as I have gotten older, so now I only use the single pedal and a 4-piece kit. I find it more challenging to make songs interesting to play when I have fewer drums to hit.

Practice practice practice, man. It's the only way to reach to level you want.
Posted by Oswald
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Posted on 6/7/13 at 7:42 am to
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the double bass pedal


I envy you. I'm so ready to start incorporating some double kick patterns into my fills, but, I simply don't have the $500 to shell out right now on a good pedal.

Glad this isn't the OT, or I'd be smothered under all the "sorry you're poor" comments...
Posted by Oswald
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Posted on 6/7/13 at 7:47 am to
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I find it more challenging to make songs interesting to play when I have fewer drums to hit.


I know I just posted about how I want to begin using a double kick pedal, but, I also empathize with this sentiment. I went to rehearsal with a new band the other night and all I brought was a little 18" kick, snare, 14" floor tom, hats and one crash...and I freaking loved it.

It's that Ringo Starr thing, when you leave so much space and the songs just...breathe...
Posted by Drummin Fool
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Posted on 6/7/13 at 11:55 am to
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It's that Ringo Starr thing, when you leave so much space and the songs just...breathe...


You're damn right! A lot of times, a little goes a long way. Feel and groove, to me, is way more important than filling measures with notes. This is why one of my favorite drummers is Steve Ferrone, who currently plays with Tom Petty. Some of his best work is on Petty's "Wildflowers" album, which is definitely my favorite Petty album.
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 6/7/13 at 12:02 pm to
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Feel and groove

some others:




Jim Hodder
Dennis Davis
Henry Spinetti
Jamie Oldaker
Posted by Oswald
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Posted on 6/7/13 at 1:37 pm to
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Steve Ferrone


Indeed. Steve is phenomenal and I love watching him play. He's one of those drummers who always looks like he's having the time of his life when he's playing.

quote:

Feel and groove, to me, is way more important than filling measures with notes.


Agreed. I've been operating like this since I finally let go of the '80s hair-metal thing back around '94. In fact, it's how I've been able to keep steady gigs since that time; everyone I play with seems to like how I make songs "feel" and I'm cool with that.

I suppose my desire to toss a little double-kick in there from time to time is just my desire to step up my game. Holy crap, am I in rut? (insert "groove" joke here)
Posted by Oswald
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Posted on 6/7/13 at 1:37 pm to
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Jim Hodder Dennis Davis Henry Spinetti Jamie Oldaker


I'm on it...
Posted by The Dudes Rug
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Posted on 6/7/13 at 1:47 pm to
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Feel and groove

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