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re: Former NFL offensive lineman Kyle Turley admits suicidal thoughts, depression
Posted on 5/1/13 at 5:25 pm to harry coleman beast
Posted on 5/1/13 at 5:25 pm to harry coleman beast
Turley seems like the type of dude that would jump on any type of lawsuit train he could find. That may be an unfair statement but just my opinion.
Posted on 5/1/13 at 5:26 pm to St Augustine
He's the white Hugh Douglas
Posted on 5/1/13 at 5:26 pm to mattz1122
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They knew 20, 30, and 40 years ago that they could acquire degenerative brain conditions from playing football?
they didn't play with helmets to protect against concussions 20, 30, and 40 years ago?
Posted on 5/1/13 at 5:27 pm to harry coleman beast
Don't even get me started on the Superdome, I mean they can't even keep the lights on in there And God forbid it rains a little, or everybody flocks to the Superdome so they don't get wet.
Posted on 5/1/13 at 5:27 pm to Lord of the Board
Damn dude you're an awesome troll
Posted on 5/1/13 at 5:28 pm to mattz1122
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They knew 20, 30, and 40 years ago that they could acquire degenerative brain conditions from playing football?
They might not have known the exact ramifications, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out playing football comes with health risks. And 99% of them would do it all over again if they could.
Posted on 5/1/13 at 5:31 pm to 1ranter1
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And 99% of them would do it all over again if they could.
This. Even the ones in the lawsuit would do all of it over again.
I know I would sacrifice some cognitive ability at an older age in exchange for several generations of financial well being for my family. Particularly if the alternative is poverty, as is the case with most of these guys.
Posted on 5/1/13 at 5:31 pm to Lord of the Board
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Don't even get me started on the Superdome, I mean they can't even keep the lights on in there And God forbid it rains a little, or everybody flocks to the Superdome so they don't get wet.
Posted on 5/1/13 at 5:32 pm to TH03
Players probably knew that they would have a hard time getting around later in life but I doubt many people or really anybody knew about all of the head trauma and depression they would encounter so I do feel that bad for players 20+ years ago. However today it's hard to have much sympathy for players who come in the league hearing all the horror stories and know what they will more than likely face later in life
This post was edited on 5/1/13 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 5/1/13 at 5:40 pm to 1ranter1
Maybe an arthritic hip or bad back. I doubt many of them assumed they'd be crapping and drooling on themselves by the age of 50 if they hadn't killed themselves already.
Posted on 5/1/13 at 5:47 pm to quail man
People in the NFL can get depressed
:omg:
I blame steroids
:omg:
I blame steroids
Posted on 5/1/13 at 5:49 pm to Lord of the Board
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Don't even get me started on the Superdome, I mean they can't even keep the lights on in there And God forbid it rains a little, or everybody flocks to the Superdome so they don't get wet.
You are not worthy of a John Kresse avatar image.
Posted on 5/1/13 at 5:49 pm to Lord of the Board
Why are you still posting? Enjoy the ban
Posted on 5/1/13 at 5:50 pm to MSMHater
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I have no doubts about the link between concussions and these symptoms. I have alot of doubt as to whether consussions are the cause of Turley's symptoms. Maybe they are, but he always seemed pretty unstable even before the thousands of collisions.
I am skeptical as well, we're talking about a guy who was literally worshipped as a football player in New Orleans. He assumed a larger than life personality, was an attention seeker as a player, and had a cult following. Now he's just an ex-athlete, trying to transition to an creative industry where rejection is just part of life. I feel like if Kyle Turley's band were playing to sold out arenas, we would be hearing a lot less about his concussions and depression. Maybe no one in his family has suffered from depression, but I also doubt anyone in his family has led the sort of life Turley has led.
That being said there is without a doubt scientific basis to the fact that concussions are linked to CTE, and maybe that is indeed what Turley is suffering from. I'll definitely feel like a prick if that's that case , but for every Junior Seau that has certified CTE there are probably hundreds of ex-players that don't have that pathology.
Posted on 5/1/13 at 6:02 pm to quail man
I wanted to kill myself when he threw that helmet.
Posted on 5/1/13 at 6:03 pm to quail man
Dude just needs to chill and listen to dee snyders house of hair on sunday nights
Posted on 5/1/13 at 6:04 pm to 1ranter1
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Or maybe they're depressed because they were big shite all their life and can't deal with being an average person. Either way they knew what they were getting in to and got paid a lot to do it. I'm tired of hearing their sob stories.
I didn't say I agreed with it.
Posted on 5/1/13 at 6:32 pm to kmcmah1
Not surprised, always thought he seemed like a self centered POS
Posted on 5/1/13 at 6:37 pm to quail man
I liked Kyle Turley as a Saints and a player. I'm not trying to be douchey when I say this but, why is it people are just now assuming that if an NFL player has any issues after retirement, that it's directly related to concussions or too many hard hits?
There are millions of people around the globe that suffer from suicidal thoughts that haven't played a down of football in their life. It's a serious issue that needs to be addressed for everyone, but I'm growing weary of "It hurts "so and so" to take a shite in his 40's because he received injuries while playing football".
That aside, I'm glad he's fighting through it and handling it as best he can. I wish him the best.
There are millions of people around the globe that suffer from suicidal thoughts that haven't played a down of football in their life. It's a serious issue that needs to be addressed for everyone, but I'm growing weary of "It hurts "so and so" to take a shite in his 40's because he received injuries while playing football".
That aside, I'm glad he's fighting through it and handling it as best he can. I wish him the best.
Posted on 5/1/13 at 8:24 pm to dcrews
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I liked Kyle Turley as a Saints and a player. I'm not trying to be douchey when I say this but, why is it people are just now assuming that if an NFL player has any issues after retirement, that it's directly related to concussions or too many hard hits?
Because it happens at a higher rate than normally and unlike depression generally, which multiple causes and symptoms, there's a really obvious slate of physical symptoms. Here's the abstract of a journal article on the issue.
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Chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) is a progressive neurodegenerative disease that is a long-term consequence of single or repetitive closed head injuries for which there is no treatment and no definitive pre-mortem diagnosis. It has been closely tied to athletes who participate in contact sports like boxing, American football, soccer, professional wrestling and hockey. Risk factors include head trauma, presence of ApoE3 or ApoE4 allele, military service, and old age. It is histologically identified by the presence of tau-immunoreactive NFTs and NTs with some cases having a TDP-43 proteinopathy or beta-amyloid plaques. It has an insidious clinical presentation that begins with cognitive and emotional disturbances and can progress to Parkinsonian symptoms. The exact mechanism for CTE has not been precisely defined however, research suggest it is due to an ongoing metabolic and immunologic cascade called immunoexcitiotoxicity. Prevention and education are currently the most compelling way to combat CTE and will be an emphasis of both physicians and athletes. Further research is needed to aid in pre-mortem diagnosis, therapies, and support for individuals and their families living with CTE.
Bolded = shite you wouldn't expect in general depression.
As for, it could've happened anyway. Seriously where the frick do you people get this stuff? Sure, anything can happen at any time. Cause and effect isn't usually as simple as a + b = c. People die of lung cancer without smoking, that doesn't make smoking good for your health.
Just because participating in an activity doesn't cause the same symptoms in all people all of the time, doesn't mean it won't cause some symptoms in some people some of the time. If a small yet significant number of people who participate in what is, at this point in time, an obviously neurodegenerative process suddenly start developing symptoms consistent with neurological issues, you want to jump up and down and point to the lower rate of it happening among people who don't do the same thing? WTF sort of argument is that. Seriously, some of you guys should look up how the smoking industry denied the link between smoking and cancer for so long, then tried to act like they were clueless about the whole thing.
If people want to point me to studies showing that the neurodegenerative factors in CTE cases have nothing to do with being hit in the head, then fine, whatever go ahead.
I just don't see why all the butthurtness comes out every time an ex player's life is obviously fricked up now because they're having severe issues doing the things you and I take for granted, like going through life being able to remember shite and control our emotions.
If the ex players get to discovery stage in their lawsuit, we'll have to see if it comes out that the NFL knew this was likely and decided to ignore it, or whether they were as surprised as anybody else.
This post was edited on 5/1/13 at 8:25 pm
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