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Bigger need: NT or OLB?
Posted on 1/25/13 at 11:09 am
Posted on 1/25/13 at 11:09 am
These are typically the two most important positions on a successful 3-4.
The NT is giant guy that anchors the entire line. he takes on double teams, holds the spot in order to allow the DEs and (much more so) LBs to make plays. A lot of people feel that it is the most important spot on the entire 3-4 Defense, and they tend to not get any recognition because they do not accumulate much in the way of stats.
Our need at this position depends on what you think Hicks and Bunkley's roles are. Can either play NT? Bunk has done it before, but he is slightly undersized for the position...you want your NT to be a strong, HUGE guy, think 330-350 pounds.
OLB...destroy QB. Drop back into coverage. A guy that can do both is ideal in the way a lot of teams play 3-4 now. A guy that is a lot of the time a converted (but undersized) 4-3 DE.
Obviously, pass rush is one of our biggest areas of concern going into the draft. Our need here depends on what you think of Martez Wilson and Junior Galette's ability.
Coincidentally, there are a lot of guys available in this draft at both positions that should be available when we pick.
The NT is giant guy that anchors the entire line. he takes on double teams, holds the spot in order to allow the DEs and (much more so) LBs to make plays. A lot of people feel that it is the most important spot on the entire 3-4 Defense, and they tend to not get any recognition because they do not accumulate much in the way of stats.
Our need at this position depends on what you think Hicks and Bunkley's roles are. Can either play NT? Bunk has done it before, but he is slightly undersized for the position...you want your NT to be a strong, HUGE guy, think 330-350 pounds.
OLB...destroy QB. Drop back into coverage. A guy that can do both is ideal in the way a lot of teams play 3-4 now. A guy that is a lot of the time a converted (but undersized) 4-3 DE.
Obviously, pass rush is one of our biggest areas of concern going into the draft. Our need here depends on what you think of Martez Wilson and Junior Galette's ability.
Coincidentally, there are a lot of guys available in this draft at both positions that should be available when we pick.
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Posted on 1/25/13 at 11:11 am to Fun Bunch
NT
I will just copy and paste what I just typed on the other OLB thread.
The misconception is that the rush OLB is the most important position for a 3-4. This isn't true. NT is THE critical position, because he dictates the LOS and creates all the opportunities for the LB's.
As it stands, we don't have this guy. Maybe there's someone on our roster that fits this, but highly doubtful.
Here's how I see it. We target Casey Hampton and draft a groomer for the position. Hampton is old and not the same player, but he's good enough to make it work. Tez and Juniah I think will actually thrive in a 3-4, so I'm not worried about OLB. I see Jordan and Hicks working well at DE. The other issues are at our 2nd ILB and corners. Remember, most 3-4 schemes are actually zones, and we all know our CB's haven't done well in those coverages.
I list our priorities as follows:
NT
CB
ILB
S
OLB
So who has a list of NT free agents and draft prospects?
I will just copy and paste what I just typed on the other OLB thread.
The misconception is that the rush OLB is the most important position for a 3-4. This isn't true. NT is THE critical position, because he dictates the LOS and creates all the opportunities for the LB's.
As it stands, we don't have this guy. Maybe there's someone on our roster that fits this, but highly doubtful.
Here's how I see it. We target Casey Hampton and draft a groomer for the position. Hampton is old and not the same player, but he's good enough to make it work. Tez and Juniah I think will actually thrive in a 3-4, so I'm not worried about OLB. I see Jordan and Hicks working well at DE. The other issues are at our 2nd ILB and corners. Remember, most 3-4 schemes are actually zones, and we all know our CB's haven't done well in those coverages.
I list our priorities as follows:
NT
CB
ILB
S
OLB
So who has a list of NT free agents and draft prospects?
Posted on 1/25/13 at 11:11 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
but he is slightly undersized for the position...you want your NT to be a strong, HUGE guy, think 330-350 pounds.
325 is pretty standard. Bunkley would be slightly undersized but could probably put on 10 pounds for the transition. Hicks is without a doubt big enough
how many players weight 350 at NT?
This post was edited on 1/25/13 at 11:14 am
Posted on 1/25/13 at 11:12 am to Fun Bunch
AHicks is big enough to play NT. Quick off the ball and good motor. I see the DL as CJ - DE, AH - NT and BH - DE.
Posted on 1/25/13 at 11:13 am to Fun Bunch
Fletcher Mackel has it right for once.
Trade up for Star Lotulelei. Would be a total game changer in the Haloti Ngata mold.
Trade up for Star Lotulelei. Would be a total game changer in the Haloti Ngata mold.
Posted on 1/25/13 at 11:20 am to Fun Bunch
OLB for me, and not even close.
I like Bunkley for NT, he was an animal in Denver playing nose for their 3-4 scheme. I also love Hicks here. Hicks is a massive body, capable of blowing up a center, while also being agile for his size. Nose tackles are also much cheaper and easier to find than a pass rusher, or good 3-4 OLB.
OLB is the biggest need not only on the defense, but also on the entire team. I am fine with Lofton and ILB. He is a stocky guy for his height and you need a good size ILB. VIlma could possibly be the other ILB, but he is very undersized. I love the idea of Martez Wilson at OLB based on potential alone. He is freakishly athletic, and definitely has the look and skill set of a OLB in a 3-4 scheme. I believe the 4-3 was not a good fit for him, especially at end. A move for him to OLB, and playing with more space could really help him show some of his true potential. Another guy that some may laugh at the thought of is Harper, who in many formations is a rover and basically playing like an OLB. His best attribute is playing the run, and in 2011 he led the league in sacks at SS, due to WIlliams utilizing him as a rusher often. But, the team needs a true pass-rusher, and someone who can come in and make a immediate impact. Now that we've switched to a 3-4, Mingo is looking more and more like the kind of guy we need. The Saints desperately need a game changer, and in a 3-4 those guys are are almost always your OLB/Pass rusher.
I like Bunkley for NT, he was an animal in Denver playing nose for their 3-4 scheme. I also love Hicks here. Hicks is a massive body, capable of blowing up a center, while also being agile for his size. Nose tackles are also much cheaper and easier to find than a pass rusher, or good 3-4 OLB.
OLB is the biggest need not only on the defense, but also on the entire team. I am fine with Lofton and ILB. He is a stocky guy for his height and you need a good size ILB. VIlma could possibly be the other ILB, but he is very undersized. I love the idea of Martez Wilson at OLB based on potential alone. He is freakishly athletic, and definitely has the look and skill set of a OLB in a 3-4 scheme. I believe the 4-3 was not a good fit for him, especially at end. A move for him to OLB, and playing with more space could really help him show some of his true potential. Another guy that some may laugh at the thought of is Harper, who in many formations is a rover and basically playing like an OLB. His best attribute is playing the run, and in 2011 he led the league in sacks at SS, due to WIlliams utilizing him as a rusher often. But, the team needs a true pass-rusher, and someone who can come in and make a immediate impact. Now that we've switched to a 3-4, Mingo is looking more and more like the kind of guy we need. The Saints desperately need a game changer, and in a 3-4 those guys are are almost always your OLB/Pass rusher.
Posted on 1/25/13 at 11:27 am to Fun Bunch
I'm not really sure here actually. I think the answer is sort of the same for both. We have guys we think can fit there, but they're not really that proven.
OLB - you can probably switch out Galette/Wilson here. Although getting a Mingo or Jones there would be most ideal.
NT - you can probably use both Bunkley as Hicks there. Bunkley is probably the most proven at NT considering where he played for Denver, but I don't recall his age or contract status.
If you had to choose one to upgrade, for me it would be OLB. I don't completely trust Wilson:Galette there full time and would really want a a known gamechanger most likely from the draft. I think Bunkley and Hicks can get the job done switching out
OLB - you can probably switch out Galette/Wilson here. Although getting a Mingo or Jones there would be most ideal.
NT - you can probably use both Bunkley as Hicks there. Bunkley is probably the most proven at NT considering where he played for Denver, but I don't recall his age or contract status.
If you had to choose one to upgrade, for me it would be OLB. I don't completely trust Wilson:Galette there full time and would really want a a known gamechanger most likely from the draft. I think Bunkley and Hicks can get the job done switching out
Posted on 1/25/13 at 12:24 pm to Fun Bunch
OLB imo.
Jordan on the end, Bunkley in the middle, Hicks on the other end. Line is rockin'.
For LBs, we have Lofton in the middle.. that's it. I'm not sure how big Hawthorne is, maybe he could be our second ILB? On the outside, people are going on about Junior and Tez, but I just don't think they're ready to be full-time starters. We need one or two more badasses who we can rotate with Tez and Jr. I think we should take an OLB player in the first, and then go for depth at NT/DE/LB in the rest of the draft. We also have a need at OT, but we really should only try to snag one if it's a steal.. D is pretty needy.
Jordan on the end, Bunkley in the middle, Hicks on the other end. Line is rockin'.
For LBs, we have Lofton in the middle.. that's it. I'm not sure how big Hawthorne is, maybe he could be our second ILB? On the outside, people are going on about Junior and Tez, but I just don't think they're ready to be full-time starters. We need one or two more badasses who we can rotate with Tez and Jr. I think we should take an OLB player in the first, and then go for depth at NT/DE/LB in the rest of the draft. We also have a need at OT, but we really should only try to snag one if it's a steal.. D is pretty needy.
Posted on 1/25/13 at 12:28 pm to Fun Bunch
I say ILB. Alec Ogletree
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